Talking points for trolls
Ever wonder why the same arguments keep coming up in the comments section? It's because the right wing has think tanks and organizations to distribute their talking points. This is from a group called Young America's Foundation.
Talking Points Against the "Chickenhawk" argument
So, the big argument from the Left in regards to the Iraq war is essentially: If you support the war, but do not sign up to serve yourself, you are a hypocrite and a "chichenhawk."
I am sure many of you may come across this on campus. To help counter this, we have put together the following talking points:
1. We are engaged in a war of ideas on college campuses that is essential to winning the war on terror. This is also very important since hateful professors are spewing anti-American rhetoric at the students every day and students rarely hear all sides of the argument.
2. The Vietnam war was lost because there weren't enough people on the homefront telling the truth and supporting the war...
3. Where were these leftists when Clinton was sending our troops to Kosovo, Somalia, and Haiti? They weren't signing up then. Also, why aren't they serving in various UN peacekeeping missions worldwide, according to their logic?
4. The troops in our programs tell us it is so important to continue the battle of ideas on campuses and to support the men overseas through programs like what we did with Freedom Alliance to send needed supplies and thank you notes over there during the conference.
5. We are the ones fighting for the right to serve in ROTC on campuses. The same leftists who criticize us for not joining the military are stripping willing and able college students at Yale, Harvard, Emory, Stanford, etc from their rights to serve their country.
6. The majority of Americans do not serve in the military, so the Left is essentially disenfranchising them from contributing their voice to the debate.
7. The logic is flawed that only people who are involved in something can voice an opinion about it. For example – the public voices its opinion about a wide range of government programs even though most people are not in the government, and people speak about welfare but not many are actually on it or administering it.
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posted by The Kenosha Kid @ 9/28/2005 11:47:00 PM
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6 Comments:
1) Every ideological group has its talking points. YAF can't be faulted for that, and
2) You have to admit, these are some damn fine talking points in that they're, well, completely factual and thus true.
Yes, sharing talking points is part of the great American tradition of the free exchange of ideas.
And my college recently considered inviting ROTC back, but the aging sixties commie-pinkos on the faculty said No.
But the key question is very simple: Tomorrow, the Army is going to miss its annual recruiting quota for the first time since 1999, and we're in a serious war.
What kind of national leadership cannot motivate even its strongest supporters to consider serving in our nation's time of clear need?
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Well, they are the party of chicken george bush, the man who ran away on 9/11.
E.G. talking points
"This is also very important since hateful professors are spewing anti-American rhetoric at the students every day and students rarely hear all sides of the argument."
--ad hominem attack (e.g. "hateful professors") is the first verbal assualt that four year olds can understand.
"The Vietnam war was lost because there weren't enough people on the homefront telling the truth and supporting the war..."
--e.g. Nixon's "silent majority" shouldn't have been so quiet? This talking point is sublimely simplistic and pointless. The true point is that the U.S. is a free country with free expression and open exchange of ideas. The Johnson and Nixon administration weren't able to "sell" the war to the citizens. And these were citizens who were exposed to a draft, so the war effected everybody not just volunteers and their families. John Q. Citizen in Des Moines didn't take kindly to his son coming back in a body bag due to an the threat of a world-wide communist domino theory. And may I point out that this theory never came to pass even though the U.S. lost the war.
3. Where were these leftists when Clinton was sending our troops to Kosovo, Somalia, and Haiti? They weren't signing up then.
--Actually, leftists protested these actions too. There were peace rallys at the Federal Building in Los Angeles.
4. The troops in our programs tell us it is so important to continue the battle of ideas on campuses and to support the men overseas through programs like what we did with Freedom Alliance to send needed supplies and thank you notes over there during the conference.
--this is not a talking point. There's nothing to debate.
"We are the ones fighting for the right to serve in ROTC on campuses. The same leftists who criticize us for not joining the military are stripping willing and able college students at Yale, Harvard, Emory, Stanford, etc from their rights to serve their country."
--Actually, they're not. Young, able-bodied men and women can still sign up at their local army/navy/airforce recruiting stations.
"The majority of Americans do not serve in the military, so the Left is essentially disenfranchising them from contributing their voice to the debate."
--Definition of disenfranchise: "Deprive of right, privilege, or status." The left does not have the legal ability to deprive the "majority" of Americans to do, or not do, anything
"The logic is flawed that only people who are involved in something can voice an opinion about it."
--True. But half the fun is seeing how defensive people get.
best, zH
(this time for real) A Bush family member enlists.
go to: http://zombieh.blogspot.com/2005/09/first-bush-family-member-enlists-in-us.html
future soldier, why is it you think that terrorists can't multitask? We're fighting "them" over there, yet "they" still managed to blow up Bali, London, Madrid, and more.
Ask yourself some questions. Share with the audience, if you can:
1) Who is this "they" we are fighting?
2) Why are we fighting "them"?
3) Why are "they" fighting us?
4) How do we know when we have defeated "them"?
For example, take WWII. We were fighting the Nazi Axis Powers, a uniformed fighting force under the direction of Hitler, Tojo, and Mussolini. We were fighting them because they attacked our homeland and invaded our allies. They were fighting us because they sought to conquer Europe (Hitler) and Asia (Tojo). We know they were defeated when their leaders surrendered.
I'm interested in clear answers, because I don't seem to get any from the Shrub maladministration.
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