Friday, September 29, 2006

Let's Debate Yellow Elephant Geoff Smock

Thanks to all Real Americans who have mentored 19 year old Geoff Smock and encouraged him to Be A Man! Enlist!

He's finally responded. Please read the whole thing.

Money quotes:

If you disagree with an opinion that I express, or believe that I have no standing to express that opinion, then say so in a respectful and mature manner. Provide a counter-argument to my own, and I will be happy to respond in like manner. As a politically active young man, I relish any opportunity to discuss issues of national importance with those who agree with me as well as with those who do not agree with me.

OK, Geoff, here goes: If you're going to be politically active, you've gotta have a somewhat thick skin. I've reviewed all of the comments on your piece, 81 at last count, and I don't think any is over the top. Please be specific and we can discuss this further.

We're questioning how you can think that the war in Iraq is an "issue of national importance" for everyone but you. And don't worry. We're not calling you a "chickenhawk," since, by any definition, a chickenhawk is an old man and you're 19 years old.

You're a Yellow Elephant - now. But we're trying to encourage you to become a credible leader of our nation while you still can.

One need not be one of the brave and heroic men and women fighting and winning the war over there to believe that they should be given the opportunity and the time to win it, or that the ultimate sacrifice thousands of Americans have given should not be forsaken.

What do you mean by "they"? Do you personally know anyone in our military? [Not "the" military, but "our" military.] And, if you are unwilling even to consider volunteering for military service, are you not forsaking their "ultimate sacrifice" yourself?

There are many ways to serve your country; serving in the military is only one (though it is without a doubt the most noble of them). We do not have a shortage of highly-trained and highly-professional brave young men and women willing to serve in our military.

We very much disagree with you here. Our military faces serious recruiting challenges; stop-loss is only the most visible symptom of other serious problems. If you continue to insist that "we do not have a shortage . . . ," then you clearly know nothing about our military. We welcome your response.

What we do have is a shortage of leaders back home with the fortitude and willingness to let our armed forces complete the awesome job they are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Geoff, I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean here. The American people have chosen our governing party to run our country, giving it control of both Houses of Congress as well as the White House. President Bush has vetoed one bill (not on our topic). Which leaders, exactly, are you talking about? Please be specific.

We very much agree with you on one thing: We do have a shortage of leaders who want to lead, and who will urge real Americans eligible to serve who support the war, such as Geoff Smock, to Be A Man! Enlist!

For those who would like to know why I have not decided to enlist, I was a sophomore in high school [in 2003?] when I made the commitment to myself to finish my education before I made a decision on which profession I would enter into. Whether that decision is to ultimately join America's professional fighting forces, or go to law school, or study history, I told myself I would finish college before I began down a specific career path.

Geoff, if the Global War on Terrorism is so important, as you say, has it prompted you to reconsider your decision? And if it hasn't done even that, why should we listen to your opinion about it?

The only development that could cause me to stray from this path is if there was a draft instituted. If called upon by my country I would gladly and enthusiastically serve without hesitation. But finishing my education is very important to me, and I hope doing so will give me the tools necessary to serve my country in the future, in whatever capacity that may be.

Geoff, we certainly agree on the value of education. If you enlisted and served the standard period, plus stop-loss, your opinion would have credibility with all of us and we would applaud your resuming your education, which would be enhanced by maturity and credibility from military service in the Global War on Terrorism.

But you clearly haven't learned one thing in your education thus far: the value of personal credibility in attracting, and retaining, respect.


At 29 September, 2006 21:12, Anonymous Anonymous said...

He's just parroting Rush- he's an amateur dittohead. He's not about to listen to us cutters and runners. If this were the old days, you would have wasted a tree to respond. Now it's just a lump of coal.

At 29 September, 2006 21:48, Anonymous djtyg said...

He's even got an asshole by the name of RoadKnight or something like that who loves to question my military service to hide the fact that he's too much of a pussy to serve himself.

In a contest to see whose balls are bigger, these conservatives just don't measure up.

At 29 September, 2006 22:06, Blogger Marty said...

OMG he has one of those damn yellow magnet ribbons on his blog.

At 29 September, 2006 23:31, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You liberals conveniently ignore the existential threat that radical Islam poses to western civilization. That is a fight that can't be won on the battlefield. Geoff is right to further his education. That is him doing his part.

At 30 September, 2006 06:04, Blogger Karl said...


If the fight can't be won on the battlefield, why is President Bush using stop-loss and calling up reserves, etc., for Iraq?

Are you saying that President Bush and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld made a mistake? Surely not.

At 30 September, 2006 08:26, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why shouldn't reserves be called up? Aren't they in the military?

Clinton never used reserves?

At 30 September, 2006 10:29, Blogger Karl said...


You're missing the point.

If the fight can't be won on the battlefield, why are we sending our military to it?

At 30 September, 2006 15:54, Blogger robash141 said...

Boy this little Princess seems to think he's entitled to a lot of deference.

Send hem a lawerly breif about why you think he's a yellow elephant and maybe he'll condescend to reply.

At 02 October, 2006 11:29, Blogger Sadie Baker said...

Why is Geoff posting anonymously?

At 03 October, 2006 12:12, Blogger markg8 said...

I urge Geoff to at least offer himself up for sex with a recruiter. With the sex scandals involving some of them it's obvious US Army Recruiting Command needs this kind of relief with willing partners. Young Republican politicos have proven they're amenable to almost any action that furthers the interests of the party. Winning the war in Iraq would give a tremendous boost to the nation as well. Seeing as he refuses to participate directly in the war effort he should become a male prostitute servicing any recruiter who'd enjoy his company. It's the least the can do.

At 04 October, 2006 08:01, Anonymous Moseszd said...

That is him doing his part.

No, that's him being a coward and rationalizing it away. And your enabling his cowardice because you're probably a bed-wetter as well.

I, OTOH, did my time in the military, went back to college, then to graduate school, and built a successful professional firm. While in college, I met many men my own age who'd served then gone to college as well. The discipline, maturity and endurance to stupidity helped me, and my friends, tremendously through-out our lives.

For example, in college I maintained a 3.8 GPA and graduated Summa Cum Laude. That's despite going to collge four years after being a high-schooler with a pitiful 2.96 GPA.

After I completed my degree I passed one of the most difficult professional exams (with a 2%-4% first-time all-parts pass rate) in the world the first time. Without the discipline and endurance to hardships, I'd have probably taken four or five times to pass all the parts, like most of my contemporaries.

My learning to deal with hardships and shortages and assholes helped me grow my firm from nothing to being quite successful. When I hit my 50's, I ramped down my firm and only work part-time, enjoying my life while putting a bit extra away.

An additional side benifit is, having learned to live on practically nothing, I learned not to piss my money away on unnecessary 'wants' I conflated with actual 'needs.' Thus, but for a very small mortgage on a very valuable house, I'm debt free. Plus, the discipline, financial and otherwise, has enabled to save 10% of everything I've made. No matter what. And I'm, frankly, fairly well off despite my later start in life.

Much of this I can credit to the education I received in the military. So while you and Poindexter hide and pretend college is the only "worthwhile" education you can obtain. I know, from first hand experience, you're full of shit.

And, having met your types for the 35+ years of my ADULT life, I know what you are. Big talking cowards who'll hide behind any excuse. And will do virtually anything, no matter how low, to hide your cowardice.

At 09 October, 2006 23:32, Blogger Swill to Power said...

I know that nobody's going to read this, because I'm egregiously late to this game, but Geoff: another thing they teach in the military is how to dismantle cowardly hypocrites like yourself. I think the kids these days say "PWNED" or some such business.

If you doubt it, just read moseszd's comment above this one, punk.


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