Sunday, March 16, 2008

Yellow America's Foundation

If you're a political hack with a unique comb-over you may need to engage in the 'ambush interview' to create a story. Case in point: Jason Mattera, from Young America's Foundation has this time confronted Veteran/Senator John Kerry.

Youtube vid:


OYE Comment: Over the last few years we've had much to say about Mr. Mattera and to avoid redundancy we will turn the comment over to Nin1963 who posted several poignant remarks on the Youtube thread from above:

Only 1% of our country is fighting the GWOT, the longest military conflict our country has ever engaged in with an all volunteer force, many on fourth and fifth tours. Where are you?

The fact the YAF has put this together while "other people's kids" fight in the GWOT; the hypocrisy speaks for itself. Get off of your asses and put that patriotism in a pair of boots.Your country needs you.

pal, I am quite invested in the war. so, before you preach...yes, i stand up for recruiters all the time and i am also on college campuses challenging young republicans to serve.

How old is this guy? Like 20? Why aren't you serving your country? Because you are so busy flushing out the liberals? How about getting your butt to Iraq and relieve a soldier on a fourth or fifth tour?


We warmly welcome Nin1963 to Operation Yellow Elephant. As stated in her profile she is the "proud mother of a US Army soldier". And, as always, we ask if you can politely encourage Mr. Mattera to Be A Man! Enlist!

(For a hilarious read check out Jesus' General's post on Mattera from the summer of '05)

52 Comments:

At 17 March, 2008 20:24, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Karl

and the rest of OYE gang, been awhile for me, this is freder421.

Sen. Kerry, you should have told him, boy talk to me after your first tour of duty in Iraq.

 
At 18 March, 2008 01:28, Blogger robash141 said...

Like a lot of right wingers who are ardent war supporters but have never served Mattera has only the vaguest,hokiest and most flowery romanticized notion of what military service is about.

A lot of these Walter Mitty Rambos/Culture warriors in the YAF see our troops as righteous paladins in a great Manichean struggle between good and evil.

Right wingers like Mattera don't respect the military so much as they fetishize it.

Because he exists in right wing la la land Mattera has no idea or appreciation what kind of savage pressure these people are under. The notion that there could be soldiers who misbehave under the stress of combat is completely foriegn to them.

Discipline breakdowns of this sort are really a symptom of poor leadership. In this case the poor leadership goes all the way to the top of the chain of Commmand .1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. When pure crap is coming from the top of the chain of command even the best officers can only stave off so much disaster,

Although it's the sort of thing that happens in every war. And one of the things that makes war so terrible.Battlefield atrocities simply don't compute in the right wingers rigid belief system.

That's why they shit a collective brick every someone claims that an American service member may have acted improperly.

 
At 18 March, 2008 13:21, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mattera is just another one of those dime-a-dozen non-profit bottom feeders. You see them in DC all the time. They're college grads who didn't have many other options and they end up at worthless non-profits doing meaningless work. Yet, they still manage to fool themselves into believing that they're "saving western civilization" or "engaged in a crucial battle against the left."

I find people like Mattera good for a few laughs. They're the most pathetic individuals I've ever come across and it's hilarious how much they've managed to dupe themselves into a false sense of self-importance.

When I'm in the courtroom defending someone or advising clients on the particulars of the law, people like Mattera will still be running around in cheap suits saying "OMG LOOK, I got Kerry to say something!!!! Gotcha!!!" as if anyone actually cared.

 
At 18 March, 2008 13:42, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Roger Custer from YAF is another example of the type of moron that ends up at these worthless DC nonprofits. You should see his Facebook page. He tries to present himself as some sort of immensely important person because of the fact that he works at YAF. It's downright hilarious.

Years down the road when I'm a corporate attorney, people like Custer will still be working for a crappy DC nonprofit doing work that makes not the slightest impact on anything. However, he'll still be fooling himself into thinking that he's actually "making a difference" or "doing his part to fight the left."

Simply pathetic.

 
At 18 March, 2008 15:57, Blogger robash141 said...

Not so fast anonymous,

In Bushworld being a bumbling hack, a shameless ass-kisser or utterly divorced from reality is not detrimental to ones career prospects. You may laugh at Custer now but he might be head of FEMA and Mattera might be Secretary of Defense in some future Bush administration

 
At 18 March, 2008 23:39, Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's not so. The people who do those jobs tend to take different career paths than Mattera and Custer. Those two may end up with decent paying non-profit jobs, but they aren't future high-level government workers.

I could explain this in more detail but you should be able to understand this. The "conservative movement" non-profit people (at least the types that Custer and Mattera are) tend to stay within that little circle when it comes to employment.

 
At 19 March, 2008 01:41, Blogger robash141 said...

In Bushworld being utterly unqualified for a particular job does not disqualify one from employment. Ideology and leader worship are much more important to the Bushites than qualifications.

Secondly you make an awfully big
assumption that things will stay relatively the same in terms of the employment and political pictures.

back in 1972 When George W Bush was deserting the Texas Air National Guard no one could have forseen that this sad sack would one day be President.

Perhaps the influence of the Custers and the Matteras will grow but hopefully it will wane.

 
At 19 March, 2008 02:21, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rumsfeld attended Princeton and Georgetown (although he didn't graduate from Georgetown). Gates attended William & Mary and Georgetown. Fema director Paulson attended Harvard after getting his bachelors. While former Fema director Brown didn't attend prestigious schools, he was an attorney and had extensive experience in government jobs. Besides education, the others mentioned above aren't exactly non-profit veterans and surely didn't spend their careers "fighting liberalism on college campuses."

Mattera attended Roger Williams University and Custer attended Ithaca College. Ithaca is certainly a better school than Roger Williams, but neither can be said to be prestigious. Both of them (especially Mattera) have histories of being petty activists and pulling stunts for media attention. In fact, you'll find that random no-name schools tend to produce a substantial portion of the conservative DC nonprofit workers.

You'll find that most high-level government officials did far more important and serious work than what Custer and Mattera do. Those guys are dime-a-dozen activists.

Now, I'm certainly aware that the Bush Administration has a knack for recruting people from crappy schools (Regent University especially), but high-level officials still tend to have good educational backgrounds, resumes full of important jobs, or a combination of both.

I'm actually quite familiar with the conservative DC non-profit scene. I'll admit, I used to work around many of those people before I realized what a joke it was and left. I know many people like Mattera and Custer. They almost always stay at conservative non-profits. If they venture out into the world of government jobs, they tend to occupy positions almost as meaningless as the ones they had before.

Many conservatives think that non-profits like the Leadership Institute and YAF are tickets to political power and success. In reality, they're exactly the opposite. They're places that attract the lowest common denominator of conservative politicos and send them into a career of worthless jobs.

Sometimes nonprofit workers have histories of important government jobs. However, those people tend to be the ones running the nonprofits and they do that after a new administration comes to town. Such people often go to nonprofits so they can retire on outrageous salaries while the other non-profit workers make far less.

Trust me on this one, people like Mattera and Custer have far less future opportunities than you might think. The conservative nonprofit route is not the way to power or success.

 
At 19 March, 2008 23:34, Anonymous chrisypoo said...

What's funny is that YAF turned off the comment function on Youtube. I guess they can't take being challenged.

I've challenged these people before and they just can't deal with the fact that they have no excuse for not serving.

 
At 20 March, 2008 03:48, Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's not surprising. Many of the "conservative" people found at organizations like YAF display an alarming inability to think.

 
At 26 March, 2008 00:49, Blogger Rogue said...

The only person running for President who has served is a Republican....hmmmm...This person also supprots the war...hmmm...What does that say for your argument?

Perhaps the real story is that Democrats are too "scurred" to serve and so they believe everyone else wants to run away, too.

 
At 26 March, 2008 12:18, Blogger robash141 said...

Not much really, McCain is something of an anomaly within the higher reaches of the Republican party.Ardent Draft dodger Cheney is more the norm..
The Yellow Elephant wing despises and fears McCain anyway, many would rather vote for Hilary.

Whatever disagreements I may have with his current policies I certainly respect McCains service to our country(which btw is much more consideration than the Republicans gave to Kerry)

Besides it's not about what McCain did 40 years ago it's about what the Yellow Elephants are not doing for our country now.

 
At 27 March, 2008 23:34, Blogger Wek said...

rogue- it doesn't appear you've done your homework on what we do here at OYE. We focus on those that are pro-war, and are eligible to serve, and ask them to Be A Man! Enlist! Although we do expect our national pro-war leaders (i.e. Senator McCain) to LEAD by encouraging supporters to enlist. We have covered Senator McCain on a few occasions. In fact we positively highlighted his son joining The Military.

Now, if you know of some pro-war Democrats that are eligible to serve but are unwilling, you're more than welcome to send us the link. I've been extremely busy lately and haven't had much time to research, so maybe you can help me when your Cheetos are digesting? I'll be more than happy to do a post on them.

Also, I'm sure the gutless maggots of the world (Mattera, Continetti, et cetera) are very appreciative of you defending their cowardice. Maybe they can hook you up with a free subscription to the Weekly Standard or something.

 
At 28 March, 2008 02:09, Blogger Rogue said...

I'm pro-war and retired from the military in 2005 because military docs would no longer allow me to deploy. I've voted conservative since 1980.

Your argument is specious -- trying to find a pro-war Democrat is like trying to find one who supports Bush's tax cuts.

The point is...many Republicans have served, many Democrats have not. And of those who have (Sen Jim Webb), they tend to be conservative Democrats.

I look at people serving in the ways they can best contribute. How long were you in the military -- or do you choose to serve this country differently?

Also, your blog title seems to indicate a desire only to attack Repubs. In the next election cycle I think you'll see a few more former service members running on Republican tickets.

 
At 28 March, 2008 09:41, Blogger robash141 said...

"trying to find a pro-war Democrat is like trying to find one who supports Bush's tax cuts"

Actually you made an excellent point there Rogue. Unfortunately it was for the other side.

This Iraq war is a war of choice pushed for the most part by partisan Republicans. They wanted war they aggressively advocated for war but most of them are unwilling to fight or bear any of the costs of the war.
This is a serious moral quandary for the Yellow Elephants not something that can be glibly reduced to a partisan food fight as you have done.

Rouge, your service to our country is honorable, however your willingness to excuse cowardice and hypocrisy amongst your own ideological fellow travelers is anything but honorable.

 
At 28 March, 2008 12:58, Blogger Rogue said...

Robash,
Thanks for that.
However you exhibit the same memory loss that pervades this country.

At the start of the war 70% of the American public supported it.

Today, we have a choice. We could abandon the troops and diminish the sacrifice of those who have given all (including some of my former troops) or we can recognize that the outcome of this insurgency will significantly and positively impact the Middle East.

Think of it this way -- there have been 9 centuries of turmoil in that region. Since we are now an intertwined global community, what happens there immediately affects us. Can we afford to allow Islamic Fundamentalism to fester in that region?

P.S. I make a clear distinction between the war and the current anti-insurgency operation. I was a Contingency War Planner for EUCOM and to me, the war is over. We are not fighting another nation, we are fighting a loose collection of guerrillas. I don't view that as a war -- at least not in the traditional definition.

Here's my latest and somewhat snarly view on the fight LINK

 
At 28 March, 2008 18:35, Blogger robash141 said...

Sure the war is over, except for the bombing, shooting, destroying and killing parts..
And 70 % of the population was for the war before they found out what an ill considered, ill planned clusterf**k. It turned out to be .

Heckuva job Rougey..

Perhaps the bulk of American public is not as stupid as you had originally assumed Rogue.

However, if you insist upon sacrificing more lives simply because you are loathe to admit that the lives already lost were squandered on a pipe dream.

You should be man enough insist that the young hard core war supporters like Mattera be the first ones who do the sacrificing.

 
At 28 March, 2008 23:06, Blogger Rogue said...

Robash,
Did you read the link or is this opinion so ingrained into your ego that you cannot critically assess contrary information?

 
At 29 March, 2008 00:07, Blogger Wek said...

rogue,

Whether you wish to acknowledge the difference or not, there is not much in common that you have with the Yellow Elephants we highlight. Since you served you have earned respect for your opinions on war. The same cannot be said for the Mattera's in our society who are for the war just as long as others carry the rifles. Of course OYE believes in what the USA stands for and is grateful that every citizen has the right to an opinion. But respect for one's opinion is NOT a right and must be earned. You've earned respect. Jason Mattera has not.

In an earlier comment you alluded to my service and I'll answer you honestly- I have not served in uniform. I attempted to join the Army 4+ years ago and I was denied entrance after they read through my medical history.

 
At 29 March, 2008 01:56, Blogger robash141 said...

I did read the link.
I must admit your post certainly has a neener,neener,neener quality.

You cite some old long since debunked articles from 2002.
Rumsfeld himself said that they planted disinformation and phony stories in the press in order to gin up support for the Iraq invasion.
Remember PFC Jessica Lynch?
The Bushies have quite a history of planting these sort of phony press stories .
Remember Armstrong Williams?

Your post is sub-sophomoric in tone tripe about defeatist "libtards".

If you really are who you claim to be then I shudder to think that an obviously juvenile, ideologically blinkered individual such as yourself was charged with making life and death decisions regarding the fate of our service members.

No wonder things are so fucked up..

In Iraq there were a buttload of contingencies that were not adequately planned for, but Rouge pretends that everything is just swell swell swell



In the interest of disclosure I was a US Army Paratrooper for four years,part of that time was spent in EUCOM.

let me put it this, way,people like Rouge tend get people like me killed and maimed unnecessarily.

So I'm not sure if I can echo Wek's sentiments of "respect" for Rouge's opinion.

And I can't fathom why an allegedly proud military officer would defend a lump like Jason Mattera.

 
At 29 March, 2008 02:00, Blogger Rogue said...

Wek,
The same happened with my daughter.

Just because you have not served does not disqualify your opinion, but I think you're right that your opinion holds less weight simply because it is less informed, not necessarily incorrect.

I have never read anything of Mattera's so I don't know what he has written. (He may be a raging idiot, I don't know). However, I believe what I wrote in the paragraph above also applies to him.

 
At 29 March, 2008 02:20, Blogger Rogue said...

Robash,

None of those articles have yet been "debunked" though I can see why you would wish them to be. In fact, the last link is the most recent findings (Feb 2008) regarding the Saddam-Al Qaeda question.

Nothing in Iraq is "swell swell swell". Paul Bremer neglected the first rule of pacifying a population when he fired the entire army and the Baathists -- that's is what started the insurgency. If that idiot would not have done that, the Sunnis would have been engaged and the Shia problems would have been much lessened. There would have been a significantly smaller and shorter insurgency. To make this more understandable -- imagine the Fwench landed in your hometown and fired all of the men from their jobs. With no way to earn money and care for their families, what would have been the result?

If you served in EUCOM in 1997-1999 we may have seen some of the same ground.
I was a War Planner for USAFE and deployed to Tuzla (Eagle Base to you) and walked the ground to conduct a leader's recon to determine the end strength necessary to continue protecting that airfield. I also ran some convoys to the top of the Hill (where the Comm site was).

Later I sent some of my partners in USAFE to do the same at other potential airfields as we planned the bombing of Serbia. I worked for Gen John Jumper and Gen Wesley Clark. Jumper was a troop leader. Clark was (is) an ego-maniacal ass.

The tone of my articles tend to reflect the level of discourse I've seen from the libs. It is intended as a satirical reflection of the pompous, self-absorbed, unhinged, deny reality crowd your own writing seems to emulate.

For full disclosure: I did 25 years and 8 months in Security Forces...I finished my Master's degree and retired as an E-8. Now I teach in a university.

Watch where you send your kiddies. I might be there to deprogram them.

 
At 30 March, 2008 16:01, Blogger Doppelganger said...

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At 30 March, 2008 16:07, Blogger Doppelganger said...

Rogue:
"However you exhibit the same memory loss that pervades this country.

At the start of the war 70% of the American public supported it. "

Yes, Rob actually wrote as much. That is because we were lied to by the Conservative Christian folk in the White House and Congress.

I was just talking to a conservative old army buddy of mine last night, and he said that he is totally disillusioned by it all now - he thinks Afghanistan was justified - as do I, after all, that is where Bin Laden was and it was Bin Laden that actually was behind 9/11 - Iraq is not and it is just a quagmire.

Now even the smarter Cons are getting a grip and realizing that this war is a lost cause. Not because the troops are not doing a good job, but because of the poor planning, lack or foresight, lack of vision, lack of intelligence (both in terms of information avout the enemy and actual intelligence in those running it all) that went into it all.

But no worries - your grandkids will be the ones paying for Bush's blunders, with both their paychecks and their lives.
But hey, Bush is #1! That is all that seems to matter to some.

 
At 30 March, 2008 16:11, Blogger Doppelganger said...

Rogue - what are you a professor of?

 
At 30 March, 2008 16:14, Blogger Doppelganger said...

"Watch where you send your kiddies. I might be there to deprogram them."

Considering the things written on your blog and what you've written here, I think my kiddies (10 and 7) would run circles around your 'deprogramming' attempts.

Let me guess - Political Science?

That is one of the easier majors...

 
At 30 March, 2008 16:16, Blogger Doppelganger said...

Rogue writes:
"The point is...many Republicans have served, many Democrats have not."

"Many." "Many" is a rather vague term. "Many" Republicans have also not served. And what is more, I think it clear that "many" more republicans SUPPORT this unnecessary war that do "many" non-republicans, yet of these republicans that DO vociferously support the war, it seems many of them are too busy talking on the radio or sponsoring pro-war rallies or bashing Democrats to serve themselves.

"Many" Conservatives only love the miitary when they - the military, that is - are fighting the wars that they endorse. "Many" Conservatives love war when they are not fighting it, and as long as their sissified momma's boys don't have to go.

 
At 30 March, 2008 23:03, Blogger robash141 said...

Rouge purports mimself to be a serious person with serious things to say about a serious subject yet the tone of his blog resembles that of a petulant 13 year old girl,only more dogmatic and self righteous.

Sorry the "libtards" made him do it rationalization does not fly.

First Seargeant Rouge, Would you have allowed one of your troops,If they had misbehaved, to get away with making such a lame excuse?

And since Professor Rougue admitted that he knows nothing about the subject of this thread, Jason Mattera (as well as being gravely misinformed about lots of other things) Why is Rouge.even bothering to post on this thread?

 
At 31 March, 2008 10:42, Blogger Doppelganger said...

Rouge:
"I was a War Planner for USAFE and deployed to Tuzla (Eagle Base to you) and walked the ground to conduct a leader's recon to determine the end strength necessary to continue protecting that airfield. "


Ha!

Wasn't even combat arms...
Typical...

 
At 31 March, 2008 15:53, Blogger robash141 said...

Yeah It figures he would be some Rear Echelon knob twiddler.

Obnoxious though he may be, But that's still miles better than chicken-boy Mattera.

 
At 31 March, 2008 22:16, Blogger Rogue said...

Doppelganger --

That's funny coming from a professor of Biology. And apparently you had a hard time opening the links in my blog.

I was actually in Security Forces - the only infantry owned by the Air Force. That's the service where we are usually smart enough to send our officers to die at 15,000 feet. We even dress them in green bodybags first. But someone has to take and hold the FOB so they can fly sorties. The Army is often too busy crashing Apaches to worry about building an airbase (i.e. TASK FORCE HAWK).

You get the best of both worlds with us -- tough enough to chew up ground, smart enough to choose the Air Force.

 
At 01 April, 2008 13:27, Blogger Doppelganger said...

Rouge writes:

Doppelganger --

That's funny coming from a professor of Biology. And apparently you had a hard time opening the links in my blog.



What's funny? Wondering what you supposedly teach? What is really funny is how people seem to think biology is easy for some reason. I can guarantee that more students flunk out of introductory biology than political science.
As for links, what should I have looked at? As has been pointed out, the 5-year old level "libtard" stupidity made it not worth the effort.

I was actually in Security Forces - the only infantry owned by the Air Force. That's the service where we are usually smart enough to send our officers to die at 15,000 feet. We even dress them in green bodybags first. But someone has to take and hold the FOB so they can fly sorties. The Army is often too busy crashing Apaches to worry about building an airbase (i.e. TASK FORCE HAWK).



Thats funny - the AF security guys I saw were always riding around in trucks. But which was it - Security Forces or 'planning'("I was a Contingency War Planner for EUCOM...")? Or does it depend on whom you think you are trying to impress?

You get the best of both worlds with us -- tough enough to chew up ground, smart enough to choose the Air Force.

Stupid enough to think "libtard" is witty and clever...

Poli sci it is!

 
At 01 April, 2008 18:20, Blogger robash141 said...

Regardless of his academic discipline Rogue is obviously Not smart enough to catch on to what a disaster George Bush has become for America.

Like I wrote before I repect the fact that Rogue was willing to serve our country.
However I believe his political views stink and I'm pretty inscenced that he would refer to people who don't agree with the reactionary bozos who are temporarily running our government as "surrender monkeys" and "traitors"

I say that its was a sad day when Rouge gave up defending freedom and democracy and started defending the corruption and cowardice represented by the likes of Bush and Mattera

 
At 02 April, 2008 08:41, Blogger Rogue said...

Doppelganger and Robash,

Doppelganger - it's funny that you are a professor of biology. What did you do in the military -- Male Nurse?

There is an entire MAJCOM staff that does war planning for SF at USAFE. I was a CWP for SF at Ramstein --- was that really so hard to figure out?
P.S., yes we conduct mounted patrol more than dismounted (except when in our DFPs). Chalk up another one for the USAF.
P.S.S. - I am in charge of Justice Studies, teaching both the academic research and practical application sides of the field. I'll bet I'd fail you the first time I took you out to the firearms simulator.

Robash,
Don't be too offended by my blog. If you read the back sotry yo'll find that I don't take anything too seriously. My approach is to use sardonic wit while exhibiting the dichotomy of a university professor stooping to the level of rabid BDS sufferers.
You may have come late to the party, but the surrender monkeys and traitors have been around since the beginning of this war and all other wars we have fought. I can even show you footage of WWII protests.
Sometimes people complain just to be contrarians - hence the Anti-Contrarian Blog.

Been fun -- take care y'all.

 
At 02 April, 2008 09:57, Blogger robash141 said...

If you want to act like a clown then perhaps you should leave serious subjects alone and just stick to "knock knock" jokes and mother-in-law jokes.

BDS is just a glib little catch phrase invented by right wingers to deflect accountability away from their guy . These folk's obviously believe that the idea "personal responsibility" is merely a rhetorical cudgel used to beat up on the opposition not something they would apply to themselves

Please don't slur our history by comparing Bush's grubby colonial mis-adventuring in Iraq to the world-wide struggle against fascism that happened 65 years ago.

Your comparison would be apt If, after the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor FDR then declared war on Argentina.

Finally , Mattera is still a punk, and thats no joke.

 
At 02 April, 2008 20:22, Blogger Rogue said...

Robash,

1. Actually BDS was coined by a Doctor of Psychiatry.

2. The comparison comes because the surrender monkeys reared their ugly misshapen heads during both conflicts even though 70% of Americans thought we should have invaded Iraq on 12 March 2003 (we did so only 8 days later). Once you're committed you can't run away and leave your blood on a dishonored field of battle. Were there problems with strategy -- sure -- I've said that for years and pointed to Bremer's idiocy one many occasions.

3. As a military law enforcement specialist gallows humor is second-nature. So I'll continue to poke fun at the incontinent and the short-sighted.

Cheers

 
At 03 April, 2008 01:34, Blogger robash141 said...

1:
Bush deraingement yndrome BDS was coined by Charles Krauthammer who is indeed a PhD in psychiatry OPINION piece he didn't do any form of academic research in order to reach his conclusion.
Krauthammer just pulled some psychobabble out of his ass to support his already forgone contention that anyone who speaks ill of of the Great Warlord George W Bush must be crazy.

It's just a rhetorical get out of jail free card for Bush honks.

Besides Krauthammer is one of those Leo Strauss followers who believes its OK to lie and deceive the population in order achieve your political goals. I wouldn't trust a word that guy says

At least Krauthammer is no chicken hawk or Yellow elephant> he's been a quadriplegic since 20 years old
Unlike Mattera Mantova Kyle whatsisname and the rest of the Yellow Elephants as well as Most of his Baby Boom neo-con Brethren who weaseled out of the draft Krauthammer has a legitimate excuse for avoiding Military service.

(2) If Bremer was so awful why did his boss the President George W Bush ,your hero award him the Presidential Medal Of Freedom?? They don't just give those things out like Winco Ducats,

Bremers boss the President George W Bush must have thought Boots Bremer did a heckava swell job over there or he wouldn't have given him the Presidential Medal Of Freedom. Highest Honor in the civilian world

Actually I agree with you on this one Boots Bremer sucked But The buk doesn't stop with him.

Bush ,however, does not agree with us.

3 Yeah I bet you're a barrel of yucks in water boarding class/

4 Bush is not my commander and chief nor is he commander of the civilian population Bush and his people constantly try to blur that distinction between civilian and military.

He's commander and chief of the military, If I was still in the military I would be obligated to follow his dumb ass.
Fortunately I'm through with the military,To me Bush is "Commander in Chief" but just another crooked Texas politician. One who just happens to be running the executive branch of our government and doing a piss poor job.
Its my duty as a patriotic American to call him on his bullshit

 
At 03 April, 2008 12:16, Blogger Rogue said...

Robash,

Krauthammer was serious. He is working to place this in the next edition of the DSM.

Yeah, Bush fucked up congratulating Bremer. What can ya' do? Nobody is as perfect as the Obamessiah.

Waterboarding IS fun when you and your buddies are hanging around, drunk and bored. It is definitely not torture. You can try it yourself if you want. It is very uncomfortable, but not deadly -- but this also describes piping Brittany Spears' music into Guantanamo.

I'm glad your whole 4 years of service imbued you with such a infallible sense of right and wrong. You sure you weren't a Marine?

P.S. you can call bullshit on anyone at any given time. What you should have learned in the military is how to fix problems rather than just bitch about them. In my blog I ridicule libtards, but don't whine about how unfair the world is. "Boo Hoo Mattera didn't serve his country" -- well, actually he did. I watched him approach a sitting Senator and lay down a decent interrogation. What have you done in that vein -- blogged? BWAHAHAHAAAA.
Step up and try to get an interview with GWB. Lay down your rhetorical smackdown on a sitting President, then you can talk trash on Mattera.

 
At 04 April, 2008 00:28, Blogger robash141 said...

Mattera is still a weaselly cheap shot punk. stop, stop , STOP making excuses for him.

Because I have written so many pissed off letters to the editor and blog posts in the course of exercising my constitutionally protected right of free speech. The Secret Service would never let me within ten miles of Bush.

I'd be more bummed out about this violation of my Constitutional rights except that I can't fathom a reason why I'd ever want to see Bush in person. I'm not going out of my way to see someone I think is a complete asshole.


I do my requisite share of good deeds in my hometown. However They don't involve invading, shooting or torturing anyone so you'd probably find my repetition of such wanton do-goodery to be quite dull and dreary.

Maybe you and your drinkin' buddies like to do freaky sadomasochistic things to each other for entertainment on a Saturday night but I've got much different ideas of fun

I definitely do not go that way,but
, if thats your scene and everyone involved is a consenting adult, then more power to ya.

I just don't think your your buddies personal ideas about how to get your freak on should be the official policy of the US Military.

 
At 04 April, 2008 02:20, Blogger Rogue said...

That's your opinion and as an obvious liberal postmodernist you know that your opinion is no better than anyone else's.

See what a bummer postmodernism can be?

Besides, we used beer in our waterboarding...it's a hoot.

 
At 04 April, 2008 02:23, Blogger Rogue said...

one more thing...

I couldn't find it on your site, but have you called out Randi Rhodes for her fraudulent claim that she is a veteran?

 
At 04 April, 2008 08:16, Blogger Doppelganger said...

Rouge rants:

Doppelganger - it's funny that you are a professor of biology. What did you do in the military -- Male Nurse?

Why is that funny? Because you flunked out of bio 101?

Actually, I was in an Airborne Battalion Combat Team (served with Rob, by the way), field artillery, and was also my unit's assistant NBC NCO.

Of course, I see nothing wrong with being a nurse. I'd bet you didn't have the grades to be one.


There is an entire MAJCOM staff that does war planning for SF at USAFE. I was a CWP for SF at Ramstein --- was that really so hard to figure out?

Um, yes, since you never mentioned any of that before. I guess I should have consulted James Dobson and he could have prayed with me for God to send me the answers or something.

Still doesn't mean you were a 'grunt', just an S3 pussy.



P.S., yes we conduct mounted patrol more than dismounted (except when in our DFPs). Chalk up another one for the USAF.
P.S.S. - I am in charge of Justice Studies, teaching both the academic research and practical application sides of the field.


Justice studies - now that IS funy!
Kids who flunk out of biology usually head in that direction.


I'll bet I'd fail you the first time I took you out to the firearms simulator.


You'd fail me?

What does that mean?

I'll bet I'd waste you the first time I took you out to the mat. Or the ring. Or the cage.

I was, by the way, a qualified expert marksman in both rifle and machine gun. Maybe you could hold the targets for me - I only use live ammo. Simulators are for sissies and overcompensating right wingers.

 
At 04 April, 2008 08:20, Blogger Doppelganger said...

Hey Thump - were you there when that Force Recon platoon stayed in our barracks after the Libya bombing?

Remember how they got drunk and pissed on each other practically every night, and we had to throw out the mattresses when they left?

What is it with these people.

Beer waterboarding - must be great for his asthma...

 
At 04 April, 2008 09:43, Blogger robash141 said...

I was still at Fort Bragg at that time..
However, we did host some Canadian Paratroopers at Bragg around that time .
Some of them were certainly drunken louts ,but to my knowledge they never indulged in any S&M Freakery like Rouge and his buds.

I guess if the Canadians had been doing that sort of thing and gotten carried away with themselves their socialized health care system would pay for the injuries.

 
At 04 April, 2008 22:26, Blogger Rogue said...

Doppelganger,

Simulators are used to help in decision making...shooting inanimate cardboard targets is easy.
But I'll bet you're really good at it.

Uhh, did you mean "airborne brigade combat team"..you spelled "battalion" instead. Maybe you were really a Chairborne Ranger.

NBC? Damn dude, which four years did you serve? It's been CBNRE for a couple of years now.

I'll bet I'd waste you the first time I took you out to the mat. Or the ring. Or the cage.
Big talk usually means a little man. Don't bet your house; I want your survivors to have a place to live, little fella'.

 
At 05 April, 2008 02:35, Blogger robash141 said...

I just wanted to start this post by saying that Jason mattera is still a spineless piece of shit

It was called the "Airborne Battalion Combat Team". Three grunt companies an Artillery battery and an HHC with sundry mechanics, medics cooks parachute riggers and what have you. It was supposed to be a completely self contained unit. I don't know why the army arbitrarily changes unit designations It happened to my units several times. Maybe they just needed an excuse to have a parade.

Doppleganger and myself were in the artillery battery. We were crew members on 105 mm howitzers.

He was in fact the NBC NCO for our battery, twenty years ago.
Since then It appears they've invented ever more lethal chemical and biological compounds with which to fuck people up. Ah Progress you've got to love it!


I myself have no pretensions of being Rambo.
However, my service is spotless.
I did a dangerous job and served my country honorably. Same goes for Doppleganger Everything I just wrote applies to him as well. Except that he was a better soldier than I. Rogue is certainly not the first lifer I've pissed off with my smartassed 'tude

He's also about 6'4" and somewhere north of 230. I've seen him fling other big dudes a long way in combat soccer matches, and that was just playing around. I never saw him get into a real fight because no one, not even the saltiest motherfuckers around the Airborne Battalion Combat Team, was crazy enough to try him.

Rogue all I know of you is from your bombast and ballyhoo. for all we know you could look just like Barney Fife

my bet is you'd get squashed

I don't think it's right for one veteran to diminish another veterans service if that person has served honorably.
It diminishes everyones service if that is allowed to happen

George W Bush's doesn't count because he deserted. and then had rich congressman daddy buy him an honorable discharge

 
At 05 April, 2008 17:28, Blogger Rogue said...

Robash,

Over 230...good, it will be an even contest. I'm at 239 as of today. I like a challenge and would feel bad about myself taking out a smaller man with a bigger mouth.
But, after 25 years in law enforcement I don't think it'll be much of a problem.

And in Criminal Justice it is always remarkable how the smaller intellect always makes the first physical threats. That's why I referred to the "little man syndrome" displayed by your buddy. Perhaps it is more of a self-esteem issue in this case. So much for professorial nature of a biology teacher.

Robash, first you said "don't denigrate others who have served" then you wrote "George Bush deserted". Inconsistent much?

 
At 06 April, 2008 13:58, Blogger robash141 said...

Yes, but for the first time in 25 years you will have to go into physical confrontation without the benefit of a gun, a taser,a nightstick,handcuffs, pepper spray or a radio to call for back up. Unless you were assuming you could bring all that stuff.

Nope, it's just you and your old fat 239 pound ass.
Still sound like fun?

Doppleganger's a big man
Big in stature
big in intellect
big in his principles and big in determination.

It's going to be pretty embarassing when you have to tell your waterboarding buds you got your ass kicked by a liberal college professor, They'll make you play bitch from here on out.

Maybe you can get Jason Mattera to come and have him carry your water for you for a change.




Bush deserted , he cant produce his DD-214 which would definitively settle the matter once and for all .
CBS came out with a story a few years ago. It was a solid story with lots of evidence that Bush did not, in fact, fulfill his service obligation .

However right wing Ideologue bloggers, realizing what a disaster this could be for thier cause unearthed some minor discrepancies in one supporting document.

If there is a lot of evidence against a suspect and one piece (not the central one) doesn't pan out. Does that automatically get said suspect completely off the hook? In in this case it certainly did

The Bushies used that as leverage to go to the president of CBS Les Moonvies, rich Republican business man himself, and cajole him with either lavish rewards if he shot down the story or brutal kneecapping punishments if it were allowed it to stand.
And then to institute a purge at CBS of all the reporters they didn't like. The ones who wouldn't kiss their ass.
A pretty brutal crackdown on the free press
The Free press is the enemy to the Bushites. They would like to change that part of the Constitution.

If I applied for some sort of veterans services in my hometown with the flimsy evidence of service that Bush presents , Id be turned way real quick.

 
At 09 April, 2008 13:22, Blogger Rogue said...

Dude,

When was the psychotic break that led to your many delusions on everything you wrote above.

None of it is true and you know it -- well, maybe you don't, maybe you actually believe it.

You remind me of the guy riding shotgun who moons everyone while your buddy drives the car.

Get some help.



P.S. I lost my last fight in high school. Been in 12 fights since then, no guns, no knives -- I'm 12-0.
Maybe you think your buddy will be my unlucky 13 -- maybe, maybe not -- either way, I've got no fear of any man -- particularly a two-dimensional pixelated

 
At 09 April, 2008 18:29, Blogger robash141 said...

If that's the best you can do after stewing all this time then you probably should give it up.

 
At 10 April, 2008 01:15, Blogger Rogue said...

Stewing? Over you? BWAHAHAHAHAHA...

No, son, I've been busy. I only stop by when I have a little time to kill.

 
At 10 April, 2008 12:06, Blogger robash141 said...

Yes of course. I'm sure there are other people who find you even more annoying than I do.Particularly those unlucky folks who have to meet you in person understand theres only so many hours in the day which you have to pester people with your ridiculous blatherings..

 

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