Tuesday, May 27, 2008

A Special Thread

for groenhagen and anonymouse. Please continue your point-to-point conversation here, so that we can keep the regular comments threads on-topic.

Thank you for your cooperation.

16 Comments:

At 29 May, 2008 09:33, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gee, Kevy...I didn't know that anyone was paying attention to us. It looks like I've been able to give you the audience that you've been craving. Later on, I'll give you the details of the debate lesson for the day.

Anonymouse

 
At 30 May, 2008 17:44, Blogger Groenhagen said...

Here's an idea. How about making it a requirement that everyone here use their real names (including OYE)? I guarantee that that would reduce the amount of nonsense offered by anonymous cowards.

 
At 31 May, 2008 15:12, OpenID doggerelface said...


Folks in Kansas call him "Groeney"

Lots of claims he makes are phony.

bends the truth like rigatoni

Logic circular, like pepperoni.

Head softer than melted spumoni

Excuses cheesier than macaroni

Served with thick slabs of baloney

More mendacious than Berlusconi

Forking to some right wing crony

Always full of sanctimony

In his dung heap, theres no pony.

 
At 31 May, 2008 17:05, Blogger Groenhagen said...

"Lots of claims he makes are phony."

Cite just one.

 
At 31 May, 2008 19:27, OpenID doggerelface said...


The world,Groeney will misobserve

While libeling Vets without reserve

Defending slackers shows some nerve

When It's our country they disserve

When away from duty, they do swerve

With tired excuses lacking verve

Social Darwin the gospel they serve

Put us all on a regression curve

Their own asses they will preserve

To go loot the Federal Reserve.

"C-word" a label they don't deserve

WTF do they purport to "conserve"?

 
At 01 June, 2008 19:09, Blogger Groenhagen said...

dogface:

I knew you couldn't. However, you did offer a few phony claims of your own, didn't you?

 
At 02 June, 2008 01:48, OpenID doggerelface said...


Groney with self righteous egotism

Is always eager to cause a schism

Shows Lisa such swinish chauvinism

Like a Taliban with his dogmatism





Phony Culture war, bogus populism

Accepts YE excuses with altruism

Attacks Vets with so much cynicism

Vision distorted by far right prism




Writing snotty emails isn't heroism

Only shows pathological narcissism

Like Hurricane Katrina absenteeism

or strutting cod piece triumphalism




Red head bastard son of Calvinism

Absolute waste of Daddy's jizzum

 
At 02 June, 2008 10:45, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kevy, Kevy, Kevy...Are you ready for your lesson for today?

Anonymouse

 
At 03 June, 2008 08:41, Anonymous Anonymous said...

For those following at home, for future reference, I have developed a list of the common tactics used by right wing zealots, in particular, our good friend, Kevy. I am naming them in his honor. Please mix them, match them or trade them with your friends.

Groeney Class 1-Ad hominem attack
Groeney Class 2-Question ducking
Groeney Class 3-Strawman argument
Groeney Class 4-Right wing talking point
Groeney Class 5-Fabrication
Groeney Class 6-Attacking incorrect person

I am sure that, over time, I'll be able to add to the list. Please check for updates. Also feel free to make appropriate suggestions for additions.

Anonymouse

 
At 03 June, 2008 16:44, OpenID doggerelface said...


Based on party choice, his opinion will vary

He'll praise any Repug, no matter how scary

Everyone else, he just trys to bury

If she had told him that she voted for Kerry

Groeny would take a crap on the Virgin Mary

Any sane person had best be wary

Too much keyboarding his palms are hairy

A little barnyard bestial out on the Prarie.

Then He demands all the milk in the dairy

Cares nothing about a justice miscarry

He'll take away wishes like a bad fairy.

All GOP critics he attempts to parry.

Can't tell a wise nugget from a dingle berry.

Air mailed special from Vigueri.

 
At 04 June, 2008 17:16, Blogger Groenhagen said...

Groeney Class 1-Ad hominem attack

Example: Anonymouse calling me "little fella"

Groeney Class 2-Question ducking

Example: Anonymouse refusing to prove that he has been published

Groeney Class 3-Strawman argument

Anonymouse claiming that I have attacked veterans here

Groeney Class 4-Right wing talking point

Anonymouse has yet to show where I have done so. However, he does parrot liberal talking points on this blog run by Young Democrats.

Groeney Class 5-Fabrication

Example: Anonymouse claiming that he is a speech and debate teacher and that he has been published.

Groeney Class 6-Attacking incorrect person

Since anonymouse is too cowardly to use his real name, how does one distinguish between him and the other cowards who post anonymously?

 
At 04 June, 2008 17:21, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kevy, Kevy, Kevy...someone seems a little cranky this afternoon. Did mommy let you go the whole afternoon without a nap?

 
At 04 June, 2008 17:24, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kevy...How is calling you "little fella" a personal attack? Just look at it as a term of endearment from a superior to an underling. You need to be a little less sensitive...

Anonymouse

 
At 05 June, 2008 09:29, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Okay Kevy, here is your debate lesson for today. We'll call it "Controlling the Terms of the Debate." This will come in two parts: first, framing the structure of the debate and second, controlling the information which forms part of the debate.

The first effective means of controlling a debate is to establish an organized framework to the debate. This is best accomplished by establishing an outline of the issues to be argued. If done effectively, this helps the debater to: 1) make clear and concise arguments and 2) require his opponent to be reactive is the debate.

A good example of such a tactic is the Groeney list from earlier in this thread. It provided a listing of the typical "arguments" used by Kevy and his ilk to attempt to make a point. The descriptions are short and clear. The advantage is that the opponent was merely reactive to the points as opposed to making effective aruments of his own. In effect, he was submissive to the terms established earlier.

As an editorial comment, Kevy, it looks like you're learning a little. I'm glad to see that you've taken the first step in developing your argumentation skills and learned how to argue by analogy. Keep it up little fella and I'm sure you will develop into an adequate debater.

In a little bit, I'll instruct you on the second element of your lesson for today.

Anonymouse

 
At 05 June, 2008 11:03, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The second element of "Controlling the Terms of the Debate" relates to the substance of information that is bantered back and forth as part of argumentation. This is a critical element of any debate. If a debater relies too much on personal credibility, introduces faulty logic or uses obviously-biased sources as part of any of his presentation, he will lose credibility in the eyes of any independent evaluators. A debater who is careless in providing too much information about himself or his argument also runs the risk of having that information turned on him.

An analysis of Kevy's arguments to date reveal that he has not been particularly attentive to these rules which would seem to be intuitive.

By way of example, lil Kevy has claimed to have been a rough and tough member of the USMC, going so far as to close his postings here, and elsewhere with "Cpl. Kevin Groenhagen, USMC." This would imply that he is an active member of that world-renowned service. His later concession that his alleged service was rendered over 20 years ago helps to undermine his credibility. Further, his complaints about name-calling further establish him to be an overly-sensitive individual and not the tough image he wants to present. This may not be surprising considering that he is essentially a sad individual who can find tragedy in any great moment.

we'll continue this lesson later in the day.

Anonymouse

 
At 22 June, 2008 22:56, Anonymous Kevin Simms said...

You know Groenhagen, you are just about the biggest idiot I've seen on line. Good job dipshit!

 

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