Saturday, April 19, 2008

March 2008 Recruiting Statistics - and more

The Pentagon announced April 10 that all four services met or exceeded their (seasonally-adjusted) recruiting goals for March 2008.

However, we have a further question for a new, but very frequent, commentator: Shouldn't our national civilian political leadership be encouraging even more real Americans [to include legal immigrants] to Be A Man! Enlist!?

On the other hand, real American and 10% disabled Afghanistan vet James Raymond, of Buffalo, New York, has been recalled to active duty despite having lost his most of his hearing in his left ear, injuring his knee, etc.

OYE Comment:

Isn't there one eligible-to-serve civilian out there, who supports what our country is tryingto do, with the personal courage and integrity to take his place?

Hat tip to News of the Weird.

68 Comments:

At 19 April, 2008 18:03, Blogger Groenhagen said...

Thanks for finally catching up, Green Baboons. I've noted at least a dozen times the fact that all four branches of the military have been meeting their goals for many, many months now.

I find the Green Baboons' argument rather humorous. When pressed, they all admit to either never serving in the military or to not serving in the military after 9/11. A couple said they tried to enlist but were not accepted, which looks like a convenient excuse. One Green Baboon said he was not medically qualified. Of course, the Green Baboon types jumped all over Rush Limbaugh for the same reason.

And I have yet to get a Green Baboon to answer whether or not they consider FDR a chickenhawk, which leads me to believe that the Green Baboons are more interested in playing politics than they are in seeing who has or has not served.

"Isn't there one eligible-to-serve civilian out there, who supports what our country is tryingto do, with the personal courage and integrity to take his place?"

If he is as disabled as he claims, he will not go to Iraq. However, all of us who have actually enlisted know that part of the commitment includes the IRR. Maybe those who run this blog should actual familiarize themselves with the military before they comment on military matters.

Cpl. Kevin Groenhagen, USMC (1982-86)
www.sinsofthehusband.com

 
At 19 April, 2008 18:27, Anonymous rj3000 said...

Kev, I know all about the military, in particular the Marines. The reason all four branches have been meeting their goals for months is that since the PR nightmare of them all missing their goals, they lowered their goals significantly. You are a tool. Two decades after your service, I don't think you are supposed to be using your rank (unless you're retired, which you're not).

 
At 19 April, 2008 21:02, Blogger Groenhagen said...

rj3000:

Show us where the Air Force, Marines, and Navy have lowered their standards. And the Army has signed a small percentage of waivers. You Green Baboons need to make up your minds. You complain that people are not enlisting, and then, when they do, you imply that they are worthless recruits.

Is there any of you Green Baboons who can offer a cogent argument?

 
At 19 April, 2008 23:38, Anonymous rj3000 said...

Kevvy, learn how to read freeptard. I never said they lowered their standards, I said they lowered their recruiting goals. However since you mention it, they have dropped the HS diploma or GED requirement. They are also now waiving felonies. Also, you are really hurting my feelings with the "Green Baboon" thing. It really cuts to the bone. I bet you'd like to share a shelter half with Matt Sanchez.

 
At 19 April, 2008 23:55, Anonymous rj3000 said...

Hey Lil Kevvy, why does your Youtube profile state you are only 25. You enlisted in the USMC one year before you were born? Help me out here slick.

 
At 20 April, 2008 01:17, Blogger robash141 said...

That must be the age he gives on hotmilitarystud.com

 
At 20 April, 2008 08:20, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Hey Lil Kevvy, why does your Youtube profile state you are only 25. You enlisted in the USMC one year before you were born? Help me out here slick."


He's so bad-ass he went through PI as a baby.

 
At 20 April, 2008 09:33, Blogger Grung_e_Gene said...

John Wayne was a Chicken Hawk...

Actually I'll call out anyone who has the bloodthirst to prove they have "balls" enough to send men to their deaths in order to prove some point about honor.

Victory with honor is sooooo easy when you and yours have no skin in the game. Anyone here recall when the Drunk Bush asked Jim Webb how his son was doing in Iraq?

http://mediamatters.org/items/200612020001

Is there any doubt Bush knows his family is above sacrificing for his Great Global War on Terror, by like, actually serving in Iraq or Afghanistan?

 
At 20 April, 2008 09:36, Blogger Groenhagen said...

Wow, you Green Baboons are really offering great arguments here. And I have to admire the courage you display by using your real names. Keep up the good work.

 
At 20 April, 2008 09:41, Blogger Grung_e_Gene said...

Actually speaking of enlisting ohhhh groenhagen why haven't you?

I'm not talking reupping in the Corps. I'm talking about Blackwater, DynCorp, Triple C?

Do you know what those companies are?

If you were an 02 you should have a top notch clearance and I assume you can shoot. Those companies pay big money (134-180k) for a 1year overseas assignment.

Any reason you feel safer at a computer blasting "green baboons" than overseas in the shit?

 
At 20 April, 2008 09:42, Blogger Groenhagen said...

rj3000:

"I never said they lowered their standards, I said they lowered their recruiting goals."

Show us where they have lowered their goals.

 
At 20 April, 2008 10:46, Anonymous rj3000 said...

look Kevvy, you are a fraud, you ask others to prove all their statements, yet you prove none of yours. You misread others comments then accuse them of misreading yours. I know where MCRD San Diego is, I was there five years before you. You have me confused with Robash, who mentioned PI. I think you are a 25 year old college republican and a friend of Leigh's.

 
At 20 April, 2008 10:51, Anonymous rj3000 said...

By the way, no one asked you to use your real name. You did that on your own. I'm not about to give out my name so you can have me freeped. It's a security thing, kinda like you using the wrong birthday. How does using your real name and a fake birthday make you more secure?

 
At 20 April, 2008 11:28, Blogger Grung_e_Gene said...

Cpl Groenhagen,

It's disgusting to see some leftist nuts dismiss the 250+ decorated members of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth as "certifiable lunatics."
http://www.gregsopinion.com/archives/004819.html

Liberals are trying to rewrite history in order to show that Saddam had nothing to do with terrorism
http://www.topix.net/forum/city/kinsley-ks/TCA6FI181MEFMV4OS

Mr. Murdoch, critics of Fox News claim that there is a conservative bias at Fox News. If this is the case, why haven't we seen a Fox News version of Bernie Goldberg, who exposed the liberal bias at CBS News and other mainstream media outlets?
http://niemanwatchdog.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=ask_this.view&askthisid=0097

I think your comment history makes it quite clear you are engaged here at OYE to push your partisan beliefs and clinton hatred.

 
At 20 April, 2008 11:51, Anonymous rj3000 said...

On Kevin's blog he posted a truncated and unworking link that proves his real age. Thanks a pant load Kevy!!! Say hi to Mom when you go upstairs for more Cheetos!!!

 
At 20 April, 2008 12:07, Anonymous rj3000 said...

So Kevin is a serial troll and a Swift Boat Vets fan. Hey Kevin, how come the the U.S. Navy position is that John Kerry is a hero, all the guys on his boat say he's a hero, and a bunch of guys who don't represent the Navy or weren't on his boat say he's not a hero? Explain that 25 year old Kevin. Time for you to start proving stuff.

 
At 20 April, 2008 12:27, Anonymous rj3000 said...

Wow, I just googled "groenhagen" after reading Gene's comment. He's been doing this "prove it/show me/show where" schtick for years. He has been called a kook on more blogs than I ever dreamed exsisted. BTW "Sins of the Husband" is not free as he claims, it sells for $6.95 download and $25.00 hard copy on Lulu.com

 
At 20 April, 2008 13:07, Anonymous rj3000 said...

Correction: $6.25 download and $25.95 paperback. Lulu.com is a self publisher. That means that if your hack book is such a load of crap that even World Ahead Publishing won't buy it, you can pay to have it published. Sorta defeats the purpose of being a writer, having to pay instead of getting paid. You truly are a loser Kevin.

 
At 20 April, 2008 13:36, Blogger Grung_e_Gene said...

Silence of the Trolls.

 
At 20 April, 2008 13:41, Anonymous rj3000 (green baboon) said...

Hey Kevin "Arminius" Groenhagen, what ever happened with your www.retroactiveimpeachclinton.com website. How did that work out for ya?

 
At 20 April, 2008 13:43, Anonymous green baboon said...

BTW Kev is a writer for the "Kaw Valley Senior Monthly". Fascinating reading.

 
At 20 April, 2008 13:51, Anonymous rj3000 (green baboon) said...

I will in future only refer to kevvy as "douchebagen"

that is all

 
At 20 April, 2008 14:08, Anonymous rj3000 (green baboon) said...

Ever notice how green is the color of military uniforms and a baboon is a highly aggressive, territorial primate. Douchebagen f*cked with the wrong herd of baboons.

 
At 20 April, 2008 15:29, Anonymous green baboon said...

you gotta see this, our very own douchebagen hides behind an alter ego named "Arminius"

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2006/jul/26/gore_had_chance/

 
At 20 April, 2008 17:15, Blogger laura linger said...

My brother died over there. He was 28 years old. He had two kids and a wife who love him very much.

That's the only "cogent argument" that matters, if you ask me.

I went to an AZ Diamondbacks game yesterday. The Army had a recruiting tent out in front of Chase Field. Many fine young men in their desert fatigues. Seeing them was like a punch in the stomach.

I will never call a recruit worthless. I save that scorn for someone who is still obviously very much alive and around to troll boards, has actually served in the United States military and yet inexplicably remains a warmonger. You of all people should know better. How sad for soldiers like my brother, who gave their lives for a stupid war based on lies, that you don't.

 
At 20 April, 2008 18:09, Anonymous rj3000 said...

Laura, my sincerest condolences for the loss of your brother. My heart aches for his wife and children.

 
At 20 April, 2008 23:35, Blogger Groenhagen said...

rj3000:

"Hey Kevin "Arminius" Groenhagen, what ever happened with your www.retroactiveimpeachclinton.com website. How did that work out for ya?"

The information is all available now at www.sinsofthehusband.com.

"Ever notice how green is the color of military uniforms and a baboon is a highly aggressive, territorial primate. Douchebagen f*cked with the wrong herd of baboons."

Actually, since none of your appears to have enlisted after 9/11, I have to assume that you do not support the war on terrorism. Those we are at war with are Islamofascists. If you do not support the fight against them, then you are objectively pro-terrorist. Since green is the traditional color of Islam, that's where the "green" comes from.

Dictionary.com offers this definition for "baboon": "a coarse, ridiculous, or brutish person, esp. one of low intelligence."
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/baboon

I think that makes "Green Baboon" a perfect name for the OYE types.

 
At 20 April, 2008 23:44, Blogger Groenhagen said...

rj3000:

"On Kevin's blog he posted a truncated and unworking link that proves his real age. Thanks a pant load Kevy!!! Say hi to Mom when you go upstairs for more Cheetos!!!"

The link works just fine. Find a nine-year-old to show you how to copy and paste.

"By the way, no one asked you to use your real name. You did that on your own. I'm not about to give out my name so you can have me freeped."

Or, more likley, you're a coward who likes to take shots while hiding behind a tree.

"So Kevin is a serial troll and a Swift Boat Vets fan. Hey Kevin, how come the the U.S. Navy position is that John Kerry is a hero, all the guys on his boat say he's a hero, and a bunch of guys who don't represent the Navy or weren't on his boat say he's not a hero?"

I'll take the word of 250+ Vietnam Veterams who served their full tours in Vietnam over a guy who gamed the system so he could leave nine months early, only to come home to smear those who served their full tours. And not everyone on Kerry's boat supported him. Gardner did not.

"BTW "Sins of the Husband" is not free as he claims, it sells for $6.95 download and $25.00 hard copy on Lulu.com."

I know reading comprehension is not your forte. However, if you go to www.sinsofthehusband.com, it clearly says the book can be downloaded for free.

You're not too sharp, are you. Green Baboon fits you perfectly.

 
At 21 April, 2008 00:03, Blogger Groenhagen said...

rj3000:

"Correction: $6.25 download and $25.95 paperback. Lulu.com is a self publisher. That means that if your hack book is such a load of crap that even World Ahead Publishing won't buy it, you can pay to have it published. Sorta defeats the purpose of being a writer, having to pay instead of getting paid. You truly are a loser Kevin."

Well, I guess when you have to resort to this line of attack, it means you cannot counter my argument that the Green Baboons with OYE have a dishonest and cowardly argument. It looks as if you have spent all Sunday trying to dig up dirt on me and avoiding the arguments made on this blog. It's kind of sad, actually. I don't know where you're at, but we had an extremely nice day here. It was perefect for being outdoors with the family. How sad that you spent your Sunday at a computer.

(BTW, authors don't pay to put books on Lulu.com. But there's your reading comprehension problem again. All that time spent at a computer today and you couldn't even get that simple fact correct. Just sad.)

 
At 21 April, 2008 00:12, Blogger Groenhagen said...

rj3000:

How's that search for a woman for dating going?

http://www.justsayhi.com/user/view/98369

Oh, that's right. You posted here all day Sunday.

 
At 21 April, 2008 00:16, Blogger Groenhagen said...

rj3000:

See, you're not the only one who can play that game. I think you would be wise to stick to the discussion here on this blog. If you are unable to make legitimate points to counter my arguments, perhaps you should find something else to do.

 
At 21 April, 2008 00:37, Anonymous The Green Baboon said...

Wow, that's great douchebagen. except thats not me. Did you take Andrea and the girls to church today? Or did she have to work at the hospital? You know there are two doctors on the Board of Directors there that might be able to help you with your mental health issues. Hey did you get fired from the LJWorld? You sure act crazy on their message boards.

 
At 21 April, 2008 00:46, Blogger Grung_e_Gene said...

To quote The Groenhagen "Actually, since none of your appears to have enlisted after 9/11, I have to assume that you do not support the war on terrorism. Those we are at war with are Islamofascists. If you do not support the fight against them, then you are objectively pro-terrorist."

Bush is on good terms with the Saud Family rulers of Saudi arabia. 15 hijackers on 911 were Saudis. The Saudis export Islamofascism by teaching radical islam (wahhabism) and calling all broadcasting sermons which label jews as apes and pigs. Bush has not waged war on Saudi Arabia. Therefore Bush loves Islamofascism and is pro-terrorist.

 
At 21 April, 2008 01:01, Anonymous The Big Naughty Green Baboon said...

Hey douchebagen I just thought of something. Since you didn't re-up (or enlist for the first time since I still think you are a liar), then you don't support your puppet masters war on terror. And boy did you ever school me on that i.e. vs e.g. thing over on your blog. Hey is it true women are allowed to hold the 0231 MOS? And do 0231's really have to type 25wpm? Diabolical. 0231 school during peacetime must have been like recon school during war. YOU DA MAN!!! and I almost forgot, please try and offer a cogent argument to my statements and show where any are not true.

 
At 21 April, 2008 01:59, Anonymous Leigh Wolf - SFSU CRs said...

Rj3000 "I think you are a 25 year old college republican and a friend of Leigh's."

Wouldn't that just be classic? But it's pretty clear we don't know eachother seeing as how he wastes him time casting pearls before swine and I just mock you as the cheeto eating, still-living-at-mom's, computer nerds you are.

You think you have credibility because you went to a recruiter to join, but got disqualified because you're too fat? Have a coke and smile and shut the fuck up.

 
At 21 April, 2008 09:24, Blogger Groenhagen said...

rj3000:

Nice job. It's always good to see someone who has not served in the military denigrate the service of those who have. Yes, all of us who enlisted during the early 1980s were given a guarantee that there would be no combat during that decade. We were even promised that there would be no service in Lebanon.

Hey, maybe if you spent as much time trying to improve yourself as you do flaming others on the Internet, you may have had a date with a woman yesterday, creep.
http://www.justsayhi.com/user/view/98369

You're doing the Green Baboons with OYE proud.

 
At 21 April, 2008 09:24, Blogger Groenhagen said...

rj3000:

Nice job. It's always good to see someone who has not served in the military denigrate the service of those who have. Yes, all of us who enlisted during the early 1980s were given a guarantee that there would be no combat during that decade. We were even promised that there would be no service in Lebanon.

Hey, maybe if you spent as much time trying to improve yourself as you do flaming others on the Internet, you may have had a date with a woman yesterday, creep.
http://www.justsayhi.com/user/view/98369

You're doing the Green Baboons with OYE proud.

 
At 21 April, 2008 10:20, Blogger Grung_e_Gene said...

To No One In Particular,

It's quite obvious groenhagen is not credible. His arguments

He supports the Swift Boat "Veterans", believing the stories about Jon Kerry (a veteran he doesn't support).

He ignores the fact the Bush Regime hyped a FALSE connection between Saddam and Terrorists.

He complains it's always good to see someone who has not served in the military denigrate the service of those who have

Yet he's clearly indicated he supports those WHO have NEVER served in the Military and Champion the War OVER those who have served IN IRAQ and are Anti-War.

He ignores all pointed questions to label everyone on the post a "green baboon" and cowards.

So if others want to keep feeding him go ahead, I know he wont answer rationally and it appears he is engaging in a one man struggle to discredit those who merely ask CHICKEN HAWK WAR MONGERS to BE A MAN, ENLIST!

 
At 21 April, 2008 10:48, Blogger Groenhagen said...

grung:

"He supports the Swift Boat "Veterans", believing the stories about Jon Kerry (a veteran he doesn't support)."

If the SBVT (250+ Vietnam veterans that, apparently, are okay to attack) were lying, why hasn't John Kerry been able to collect that $1 million that T. Boone Pickens has put up?

"He ignores the fact the Bush Regime hyped a FALSE connection between Saddam and Terrorists."

No they didn't. The recently released Pentagon report notes numerous links between al Qaeda and Saddam's Iraq. And it was the Clinton administration that claimed al Qaeda and Iraq were cooperating on WMD production.

"Yet he's clearly indicated he supports those WHO have NEVER served in the Military and Champion the War OVER those who have served IN IRAQ and are Anti-War."

That's a falsehood. I have sided with those who support our efforts in Iraq and have not server over the OYE types who make the dishonest and cowardly argument that those who support those efforts are cowards and unmanly because they have not enlisted. Note that most, if not all, of the Green Baboons associated with OYE have not served in Iraq. In fact, some, such as, I believe, wek, has never served in uniform.

"He ignores all pointed questions to label everyone on the post a "green baboon" and cowards."

Actually, you have that backwards. I have addressed pointed questions here. You Green Baboons refused to answer my questions. For example, look how many times I have asked if FDR, who supported World War I yet did not enlist to fight in that war, was a chickenhawk. None of you Green Baboons has answer that question. In fact, OYE merely offered a ridiculous post in which they said past wars were irrelevant. How convenient.

"So if others want to keep feeding him go ahead, I know he wont answer rationally and it appears he is engaging in a one man struggle to discredit those who merely ask CHICKEN HAWK WAR MONGERS to BE A MAN, ENLIST!"

Did you enlist after 9/11 to fight in the war against terrorism?

 
At 21 April, 2008 11:24, Blogger Grung_e_Gene said...

No, I didn't enlist after 9/11. I was already serving at CLNC, 2D Intelligence Bn.

As you no doubt know FDR was SECNAV during WWI. Remember who gave us the EGA? I don't have much respect for FDR because he expanded the powers of the Federal Government almost as much as Bush. Once he contracted Guillain-Barre disease in the 20's he obviously couldn't serve.

I have much more respect for Smedley Butler, you know him right? What would he say about the Iraq War?

I call out all Chicken Hawks and War Mongers like Hillary and her Chelsea. Chelsea has used her mother's position to garner herself a lucrative job for a Hedge Fund (which donated to Hillary's election) in the range of 150k - 180k a year.

John Wayne was a Chicken Hawk. George Clooney is a chicken hawk when it comes to Darfur because it won't be his pampered ass which sweats in the desert handing out rice, dodging ak rounds and not showering for 7 weeks.

As for accepting recruits with lowered standards. The all-volunteer military does. I would have failed he physical during WWII. I have severely flat feet, but during my exam in 1999 I was placed mild pronation.

I've served in both iraq and afghanistan. I'm against the war in iraq.

When I hear the word of those who have never served and never will passionately rallying the americans to stay the course and not surrender I wonder why they are not willing to put themselves in the line of fire, especially if this is the equivalent of WWII? Why aren't they willing to risk their lives, place their careers on hold, seperate themselves from the families for 7-15 months?

I think your partisan hatred of clinton and liberals is blinding you to the fact the war in iraq is not making americans safer, is not reducing the overall number of terrorists who might attack america, is a huge transfer of wealth, and will not result in a democratic nation in iraq.

 
At 21 April, 2008 11:32, Anonymous rj3000 the green baboon said...

Leigh, you have the same problem douchebagen has, you confuse the people you are arguing with. I never got rejected, that was another commenter. I spent six years in the Corps during the 70s and 80s. Douchebagen, continue to stalk that guy at the dating site. How are we obligated to answer any of your questions? You provide no proof for outlandish claims, yet you demand proof of every remark made in opposition to you. And again I remind you, no one asked for your real name. Both of you f*ck off and die.

 
At 21 April, 2008 11:43, Blogger Groenhagen said...

rj3000:

"I spent six years in the Corps during the 70s and 80s."

That's unlikely, given that your profile says you're just 31.

http://www.justsayhi.com/user/view/98369

"Douchebagen, continue to stalk that guy at the dating site."

No one is stalking you.

"You provide no proof for outlandish claims, yet you demand proof of every remark made in opposition to you."

Sure I have. Show us a claim I have made where I have not provided proof. I have a feeling that you'll react to this the same way you wimped out regarding my challenge to you to cite one example of something in my video that is misleading or taken out of context.

"Both of you f*ck off and die."

Yes, you continue to do the Green Baboons with OYE proud.

 
At 21 April, 2008 11:54, Blogger Grung_e_Gene said...

Groenhagen is the Pentagon full of pro-terrorist liberals?

http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/04/8006_iraq_war_a_majo.html

Instead of attacking the members of the blog can you objectively assess the war and occupation of iraq? Is it accomplishing anything of strategic importance? What is success? What is Mission Accomplished 2? When if ever will american forces leave? When the oil reserves are gone? When the ME is no longer considered a vital area of control?

Is it worth it in your opinion?

 
At 21 April, 2008 12:09, Blogger Groenhagen said...

grung:

"Groenhagen is the Pentagon full of pro-terrorist liberals?"

No, but your source, Mother Jones is. And you ignored my point about the Pentagon's recent report on al Qaeda-Iraq links. Are you ready to admit that you were wrong when you claimed the Bush administration hyped "a FALSE connection between Saddam and Terrorists"?

"Instead of attacking the members of the blog can you objectively assess the war and occupation of iraq?"

I have only criticized those who have attacked the courage and manliness of others.

 
At 21 April, 2008 12:29, Blogger Grung_e_Gene said...

No I'm not wrong about Saddam and terrorists. There was no connection between Saddam and Al Qaeda. None. Bush hyped the connection to provide a casus belli. What Saddam supported were groups which would aid him in control of Iraq and were pro-arab (anti-persian).

Are you honestly asserting Saddam's groups would attempt an attack in the US? And thus constituted a mushroom cloud smoking gun?

As for Mother Jones since you seem to be intentionally obtuse here is the original pdf --- http://www.ndu.edu/inss/Occasional_Papers/OP5.pdf

Draw your own conclusions...

 
At 21 April, 2008 12:35, Anonymous Leigh Wolf - SFSU CRs said...

Oh you served? Well good for you. I don't recall ever stating you're obligated to do anything. I couldn't care less what you answer. I think it's ridiculously entertaining to watch you care so much about something so inconsequential. I don't care if you use your real name, but hiding behing a pseudonym makes you look like kind of a pussy.

 
At 21 April, 2008 12:46, Anonymous rj3000 said...

Leigh, being a chickenhawk kinda makes you look like a pussy.

 
At 21 April, 2008 12:52, Blogger Groenhagen said...

rj3000:

Yes, you are quite a credit to the Green Baboons with OYE.

 
At 21 April, 2008 12:54, Anonymous rj3000 said...

Douchebagen, I thought I told you to f*ck off and die.

 
At 21 April, 2008 12:58, Blogger Groenhagen said...

grung:

"No I'm not wrong about Saddam and terrorists. There was no connection between Saddam and Al Qaeda. None."

Repeating that lie does not make it any more true.
http://sinsofthehusband.blogspot.com/2008/03/media-misrepresents-pentagon-report-on.html

And, again, it was the Clinton administration that claimed al Qaeda and Iraq were cooperating on weapons production.
http://www.sinsofthehusband.com/OsamaIndictment.pdf

"Are you honestly asserting Saddam's groups would attempt an attack in the US?"

The fear was that Saddam would hand off WMD to terrorist groups to use against Americans. That concern grew after 9/11. Richard Clarke discussed the possibility of rogue states arming terrorist groups in a 1998 speech. Clarke also promoted the doctrine of preemption in that speech.
http://www.sinsofthehusband.com/RichardClarke10-8-98.pdf

 
At 21 April, 2008 13:00, Blogger Groenhagen said...

rj3000:

Yes, the Green Baboons must be extremely proud to be associated with the likes of you. Great arguments. With charm such as yours, why are you looking for a woman to date online?
http://www.justsayhi.com/user/view/98369

 
At 21 April, 2008 15:31, Anonymous Ace said...

If the military has met their recruiting goals, check out this link to see why.

 
At 21 April, 2008 15:37, Anonymous Leigh Wolf - SFSU CRs said...

"Leigh, being a chickenhawk kinda makes you look like a pussy."

I'm a chickenhawk? How do you know that?

 
At 21 April, 2008 15:48, Blogger robash141 said...

Groeney can't imagine using the internet for any purpose other than to antagonize and infuriate people.
So the whole concept of internet dating is compltely lost on him.

I suspect that he has just as much trouble meeting women elswhere as well.

 
At 21 April, 2008 16:41, Blogger Groenhagen said...

robash:

I met the perfect woman nearly 20 years ago and have been with her every since, so there is no need for me to go online for a date.

But your continued Green Baboon behavior has been noted. Your debating skills are simply awesome.

 
At 21 April, 2008 17:45, Blogger robash141 said...

"Perfect woman" you say

You must have had her mummified and buried under the floor of your garage for about ninteen and a half of those years

That's about the only way I could imagine any woman sticking around to listen to your knee jerk reactionary spewings.

 
At 21 April, 2008 17:54, Anonymous rj3000 said...

First of all douchebagen, the guy at the dating site is 31, I'm 48. He's in Colorado, I'm in Arizona. I've been married for 25 years and she's not buried in the garage like yours.

Leigh, everything about you says chickenhawk: the retard haircut, the girls first name, the fact that your not in Iraq. Your a big pussy, deal with it.

 
At 21 April, 2008 19:24, Blogger Groenhagen said...

rj3000:

Sure, that's not you. With millions of alpha-numeric combinations, it's just a major coincidence that you both call yourselves rj3000.

"Leigh, everything about you says chickenhawk: the retard haircut, the girls first name, the fact that your not in Iraq. Your a big pussy, deal with it."

I bet he doesn't have to use the Internet in an effort (albeit, apparently unsuccessfully) to get a date.
http://www.justsayhi.com/user/view/98369

 
At 21 April, 2008 19:26, Anonymous Leigh Wolf - SFSU CRs said...

wow, you went and looked up photos of me. That's a little bit creepster for a guy who's "been married for 25 years." Do we have a Larry Craig on our hands here? Maybe that really is you on that dating site. Can't imagine a married man who's a closeted homosexual with a fetish for 20 something young men would use his real age or location. I must ask though, of all the people to internet stalk, why go looking for photos of me? I do live in SF however, i have a bunch of gay friends...maybe you could come by sometime and say hello.

Oh, there is one thing that proves you wrong, but i think i'll save that gem till i'm done fucking with you.

 
At 21 April, 2008 19:55, Blogger Groenhagen said...

leigh:

rj3000 continues to show that "Green Baboon" is a great name for him and the other OYE types. If he had any sense, he would know that Leigh is indeed a boy's name.
http://www.babyhold.com/list/Celtic_Baby_Names/Leigh/details/

He must be thinking of Jamie Lee Curtis. Of course, "Lee" comes from her mother's maiden name, Leigh.

The ironic thing is that rj3000 and these other OYE dolts resort to the personal attacks because they're not smart enough to debate military and political issues. However, they only make themselves look even more foolish when they go the personal attack route.

 
At 21 April, 2008 22:40, Anonymous rj3000 said...

Leigh, "done fucking with me"? that gem must be that you're "planning to join the Marine Corps" right? I'm planning to be King of England. Hey there are two great "tops" I heard of that you might like, they're both republicans like Larry Craig: their names are Matt and Jimmy/Jeff. Matt was a marine and Jeff pretends to be one. Even your president knows how to use "the google" and then click on images.

 
At 21 April, 2008 23:23, Anonymous rj3000 said...

And Leigh, one more thing before you're done fucking with me: let's think back to 4/9 when you first joined us. You were jealous of fellow chickenhawks DeWinter and Antonopoulos. You wanted attention. You wanted your picture on this blog. You wanted bragging rights at the College Retard Convention. Why the fuck wouldn't we all google pictures of your dumbass protesting Sean Penn. Stick to hangin' with the Log Cabin Boys.

 
At 21 April, 2008 23:26, Anonymous rj3000 said...

And another thing Leigh Anne, if and when you do ever make it to boot camp or OCS, the DI's and the other guys will have a field day with your first name and the fact that your from SF.

 
At 22 April, 2008 00:54, Blogger robash141 said...

Groenhagen has long since forfeited any right to get upset about lack of civility.

There is no debate with this guy,,
he just tries to scream everyone down with his canned bullshit talking points.

Groenhagen came here to pick a fight not a debate. so a fight is what he gets.
If you don't tow the George W bush line 100% regardless of our Honorable service to this country he calls you a traitor and a coward.
To me thats asking for it..

Leigh, embarrassment to all of Northern California. Please shut up, You don't seem as much of a slimy little twerp when we talk about you in the abstract as you do when you make your asinine contributions to the conversation

 
At 22 April, 2008 01:55, Anonymous Leigh Wolf - SFSU CRs said...

rj3000, if that is your real name, you need to get one of those cool stereos from sharper image that plays wave sounds. That, or you need to take up smoking pot. I can see the vein in your forehead about to pop.

"Why the fuck wouldn't we all google pictures of your dumbass "
Yea, don't try to bring others into your realm of creepiness. At least they can save their dignity by not being associated with a border line pedophile. You ever seen to catch a predator? because i think rj3000 was one of the screen names they caught. You posted 3 times in 20 minutes, i think we can fly the mission accomplished banner. I'm officially inside your melon. I must say though, it's a lot more spacious than i expected.

If you're all so sure i'm a chickenhawk, why wouldn't you put me up on your blog? Isn't that the point of this website? To embarrass College Republicans who support the war but don't sign up?

robash141, you're only encouraging me by acknowledging me.

 
At 22 April, 2008 02:15, Blogger Grung_e_Gene said...

Wow, I'm sure everyone has gotten great satisfaction and joy from the insults but the basic premise still holds true.

Anyone who supports the occupation of Iraq and has no intention of joining and serving needs to be questioned. Most are bloodthirsty Warmongering Chicken Hawks and need to be called on their stance, especially if they are young and able.

President Bush has made clear with over 5 years worth of speeches this is the greatest confrontation of the 21st century. Chicken Hawks unite and serve!

 
At 22 April, 2008 11:43, Blogger Groenhagen said...

Wow, you can just see rj3000 spitting over his monitor as he typed in those posts for Leigh. In my opinion, he appears much too emotional to discuss political and military issues in a reasoned and dispassionate manner.

 
At 22 April, 2008 12:08, Blogger robash141 said...

"a reasoned and dispassionate manner."
that's hilarious..

 

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