Saturday, April 12, 2008

OYE 107: A Reminder

This blog has not taken a position on any conflict, whether current and ongoing, or those that have occurred in history.

We certainly do acknowledge others' positions on current conflicts, and ask polite follow-up questions, but these are based on our subjects' stated positions, not on any opinions that we may have (which we do not express on this blog).

Therefore, discussion or debates about the wisdom, if any, of current or historical conflicts in the world are simply off-topic.

Thank you for your cooperation.


At 12 April, 2008 13:20, Blogger Groenhagen said...

"Therefore, discussion or debates about the wisdom, if any, of current or historical conflicts in the world are simply off-topic."

In addition, such a discussion would expose the blatant hypocrisy of the moral cowards with OYE.

Of course, OYE is at least implicitly debating the wisdom of our military presence in Iraq when it calls supporters of that presence who do not participate in that presence "yellow elephants." You'll note that these moral cowards have yet to label anyone a "yellow donkey" (i.e., Democrats of military age who supported Clinton's preemptive attack on Iraq and his illegal war of choice on Kosovo yet failed to serve in those actions.)

There's a quote from Richard Weaver in "Ideas Have Consequences" (I encourage my conservative friends to read this great book) that I like to share with folks, such as OYE, who find the past inconvenient to their positions:

"Oswald Garrison Villard, a political journalist of the old school, who spent half a century crusading for standards of probity in public administration, once declared that he had never ceased to marvel at the shortness of the public’s memory, at the rapidity with which it forgets episodes of scandal and incompetence. It sometimes appeared to him of little use to attack a party for its unethical conduct, for the voters would have no recollection of it. The glee with which the epithet ‘ancient history’ is applied to what is out of sight is of course a part of this barbarous attitude. The man of culture finds the whole past relevant; the bourgeois and the barbarian find relevant only what has some pressing connection with their appetite."

The whole past is relevant. OYE and their allies are essentially the bourgeois and barbarians. There appetite entails their cowardly attacks on those they attempt to bully.

At 12 April, 2008 19:24, Anonymous Anonymous said...

New Apple Laptop = $2,399
4 Bags of ruffles chips = $16.89
Rent at mom's place = Priceless

There are some things money can't buy, for a shitty gotcha politics blogs there's mastercard.

Can you please give the people what they want? Leigh Wolf, San Francisco State College Republicans. Give me some bragging rights for convention.

At 13 April, 2008 23:27, Blogger Wek said...


I saw you were quoted in the article. But since nothing of yours put in print pertained to OYE's topic I didn't follow up with you. Send me an E-mail and we can discuss:

Maybe we'll hook you up with a batch of OYE T-shirts to pass out at the convention?

At 13 April, 2008 23:48, Blogger Groenhagen said...

"This blog has not taken a position on any conflict, whether current and ongoing, or those that have occurred in history."

Yet the first item under "About Operation Yellow Elephant," you share a link that clearly takes positions on OIF, including:

"We need to be honest here: Iraq is not worth one more dead American."

"Iraq is not worth dying for. Not for the warmongers on the right or the liberal hawks on the left."

"It's bad the soldiers are trapped there, but we have made it their problem, No one is willingly going to join them, and 5,000 have deserted so far."

No one is willingly going to join them? Given that all four branches of the military are meeting or exceeding their retention and recruiting goals, that's a demonstrably false statement.


If you have not taken a position on any war, why give this piece prominent play in under "About Operation Yellow Elephant"?

At 14 April, 2008 02:48, Anonymous Anonymous said...

free shirts you say? Perhaps we can arrange something. You going to make me wear one for my picture on your blog? We can get creative with this too, maybe we can get an actual elephant costume and turn it yellow somehow. I can walk around wagging a condescending finger at the 80%+ of the population who supported the war initially but aren't in the 0.33% of our population who have fought in it.

At 19 April, 2008 17:37, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Leigh, the 80% you speak of supported the invasion of Iraq because they had been given false information about the threat of WMDs allegedly held by Iraq. These blatant lies are what led to the Senate and the UN sponsoring the invasion. Iraq had no WMD or links to AQ. WE WIN.

At 19 April, 2008 18:08, Blogger Groenhagen said...


That "blatant lies" is plain nonsense. The intelligence concerning Saddam's WMD was consistent from Clinton to Bush 43.

And the recently released Pentagon report noted that Iraq and al Qaeda indeed had links.

Also, keep in mind that David Kay, Charles Duelfer, and the FBI agent who interrogated Saddam all concluded that he and his sons planned to produce additional WMD, including nuclear weapons, once the world's attention was diverted from Iraq. It would have been irresponsible to allow Saddam to have stayed in power.

At 20 April, 2008 00:24, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kevin, why does you're Youtube profile say you are 25 years old? I thought you were in the marines 25 years ago? "Blatant lies" is "plain nonsense"? I think you are a blatant lie and plain nonsense.

At 20 April, 2008 09:52, Blogger Groenhagen said...


You could not back up your claim that my video contained misleading and out of context statements, so you now think you have found something else to carp about. YouTube asks for a date of birth before you can post a video. For security reasons, I did not enter my actual birth date.

I can tell you that I entered boot camp at San Diego (if, as you claim, you know all about the Marines, you would have known Parris Island is not the only recruit depot--also someone who knows all about the Marines would know that you use an uppercase "M") on January 15, 1982. I went through separations a few weeks early on December 13, 1985 (which was a Friday the 13th) since there was not enough time to serve at another duty station after I left Okinawa.

How about you use your actual name here so we can start verifying your claims. After all, you Green Baboons are supposed to be men full of courage.


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