Sunday, October 22, 2006

Dialogue as Fmragtops Spews . . .

Explain to me, why you believe it is necessary that I actively participate in combat in order for my opinion that fighting to defeat terrorism is a good thing to do. Tell me how it is that I must be a combatant to hold the belief that we are actively engaged in WWIII WWIV, against an enemy that wears no uniform, and makes no distinction at all between civilian and military targets. I would like to hear a rational explanation.

12 Comments:

At 22 October, 2006 08:21, Blogger Karl said...

Fmragtops-

You can have any opinion you want in America.

But, if you are eligible to serve and support the war, but refuse even to consider volunteering for military service, why should I respect your opinion?

Respect must be earned; it is not a right.

 
At 22 October, 2006 09:42, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The criticism of OYE isn't about the truth of the claims that YE's make--it's about the sincerity of their assent to those claims. If a YE thinks the War on Terror is so bleeding important--so much so that the armed services must enact the fine print on their contracts to keep people in the military and in Iraq and elsewhere beyond the amount of time promised--then perhaps he or she ought to reconsider the degree to which they actually assent to the War on Terror. While OYE questions the person in other words, it does not claim that the hypocrisy of the person undermines the argument.

 
At 22 October, 2006 12:00, Blogger ariadne said...

Filed under "duh": One doesn't have to assent to the so-called "global war on terror" to want our troops to have the best protection, the safest vehicles, and the necessary personnel to fight it. Just because the president lied doesn't mean that the troops have to bear the rhetorical burden of his guilt (they're already bearing the literal burden with their bodies and their lives).

But in a country so divided over the war, shouldn't those who think we should be there in the first place be signing up to give the soldiers, some of whom are serving their 3rd tour, a break? Put your body where your rhetoric is. It really is that simple.

 
At 22 October, 2006 12:21, Blogger freder421 said...

We are at the point now, that a draft is coming, no doubt about. This nation has never been in such a sorry state of military readiness. So my repugs friends, you can run, but you cannot hide. Only cowards support a war but will not fight in it.

George Bush disobeyed a lawful order that makes him a coward, Dick Cheny, five deferments, that makes him a coward, 2700 plus dead because of these two. Impeach bush and lock his ass up. That is the american thing to do.

 
At 23 October, 2006 02:29, Anonymous smafdy said...

Hold any belief you wish regarding this "war". If you really believe, as you clearly state, that, "fighting to defeat terrorism is a good thing to do", then you'd do it, no questions asked. I think that what you really mean is that it's a good thing for someone else to do. That makes you a chickenshit.

Have you no sense of honor?

 
At 23 October, 2006 03:42, Anonymous Mike said...

Smafdy,

No, they don't have any honor. As "Brachiator" at Fmragtop Spews pointed out, Iraq war supporters can go ahead and say that they think we're engaged in "WW IV" and say we need to be in Iraq fighting "Islamofascists" but they won't have any *credibility* if they refuse to join up themselves.

Keep in mind though, it's impossible to get any of the war supporters to tell you how we'll get more troops for their precious war(s) without a draft.

If you're thirsty, you go where there is water. If you're in a war and need more troops, it only makes logical sense to look for them in the places where people are most enthusiastic about the war: College Republcan gatherings, pro-war rallies, right-wing blogs, etc.

To adopt the language of the right, the war supporters "cut-and-run" from addressing this point and in most cases cut-and-run from joining the actual war effort themselves.

If I was a military recruiter, I'd camp out at pro-war rallies and meetings of college Republicans. To be honest, I have no idea why they don't. Maybe it's too painful for a recruiter to realize that the war supporters are saying one thing and doing another as our troops are over there getting shot at for no apparent reason?

I say we bring 'em home now. They already won the war and caught Saddam. The Iraqis want us out and I bet the troops are about ready to call it a day, too.

 
At 23 October, 2006 14:15, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just to point out, this sentence

Explain to me, why you believe it is necessary that I actively participate in combat in order for my opinion that fighting to defeat terrorism is a good thing to do.

makes no sense.

"In order for (his) opinion (etc.)" to be what? Believed? Be given any credence? To justify his opinion?

Apparently, in addition to being hypocrites, Yellow Elephants can't write very well, either.

--raj

 
At 23 October, 2006 15:17, Anonymous paul said...

Um, raj? That was a quote from some of the war supporters, not written by the OYE staff. You might want to brush on your reading comprehension and understanding of conventions like italics.

OK?

And if you find hypocrisy, point it out: don't just sling accusations around. That's cheap.

 
At 24 October, 2006 03:26, Anonymous brachiator said...

Paul, I think raj was indeed referring to Fmragtops, not OYE.

I just finished an AWESOME day of debating those Fmragtops folks. A fool's errand. An ambush. A mutual admiration society of civilian folks some of whose "best friends are Iraq vets."

I feel cheap. Sullied. In need of a shower. I was accused of being a "candy ass" for quoting Catullus, by a guy who knew it was Catullus!

 
At 24 October, 2006 14:30, Blogger ed sharp said...

Yes, you can have an opinion, and I have an opinion too, YOU ARE WORSE THAN JUST A MORAL COWARD, YOU ARE A SICK VAMPIRE THAT FEEDS OFF THE BLOOD SACRIFICE OF OTHERS. So just join the Army instead of trying to blame the liberals when your efforts fail.

 
At 24 October, 2006 19:20, Anonymous doryk said...

Some world friggin war. These people managed to kill all of 3,000 Americans because of the utter incompetence of the Imbecile in Chief. If the little monkey had done his job, al Qaida would've gone out of business by now. That strike was pretty much their last hope.

 
At 28 October, 2006 15:42, Anonymous Anonymous said...

SImple: There is a saying in business and politics: "Follow the money". Basically this means anyone can say anything but look where they commit their assets to determine what they really think.

If you are not willing to commit your assets (i.e., your life) to a war then you are just another blow hard spouting off an opinion that means nothing. Show us COMMITEMENT and then we may believe.

The Command T.O.C.

 

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