Thursday, July 21, 2005

Where Have All The Elephants Gone?

So far, the Young Republicans and College Republicans have refused to serve their country. I'm rather surprised that they don't want to go party in the desert to spread democracy and kill Iraqis. Perhaps these young conservatives require more motivation?

Or maybe what they need is demotivation? They seem to forget that by voting for War President Bush they were voting for war. Yet they refuse to fight it!

The male yellow elephants prefer to scream like jackasses instead of going to fight the terra-ists. So what about the ladies? Operation Yellow Elephant is an equal opportunity recruiter. Join up ladies! There are no ditches in Iraq so you won't have to worry about getting any infections.


At 21 July, 2005 12:26, Blogger POS said...

"You mean go fight IN the war? Oh heavens no, thats for the common folk, you know..."

Funny how determined they are to speak their mind about a war that they would NEVER fight in, bring that up and they shut up.

Great site!

At 21 July, 2005 13:53, Anonymous Ilex opaca said...

(repost from your call for all Yeller Elephants topic -- apologies for the double post, but I didn't want any College YEs that may be reading this to think they are too old if they are over 34 yrs of age)

General if I may point out....

....that "old" Yellow Elephants DO NOT have to wait to serve.
They can go straight to the front pretty darn quick right now.

The Army National Guard is all ready to take anyone up to 39 years and 364 days old.

"Experience has shown that older recruits who can meet the physical demands of military service generally make excellent soldiers based on their maturity, motivation, loyalty and patriotism," the Army said.

Sure sounds like they are describing all those older Yellow Elephants to me. Well...except for the motivation part.... and the loyalty part.... and the patriotism part. OK, so they are describing how YEs are older. I have confidence that once those older Yellow Elephants get through boot camp they will have motivation, develop loyalty to our country and understand what true patriotism is about.

Hmmm I think they left other equally important qualities out, and the lack of these other qualities in YEs seem to be preventing quite a few YEs, young and old, from fully supporting their war pResident. These important qualities are duty, honor and commitment. The three main qualities of today's warfighter are sorely lacking in YEs. We must work harder to get these Yellow Elephants into boot camp, where they can develop a sense of honor, understand duty/service to one's nation and fellows in arms, and make a commitment to protecting the United States of America, paying the highest price if necessary, as over 1700 have already done.

Sincerely yours and 110% hetero female,

Ilex Opaca

PS Jonah Goldberg is only 36!?!?! Clearly still young YE by far. It will be YEARS before he can think he is safe from a draft or serving as I have no doubt the age limit will be going up on every branch soon enough. My guess will at least 40, maybe even 42.

At 21 July, 2005 14:49, Blogger Bulworth said...

That last picture is most discouraging. Several attractive young ladies. A shame they're deluded into supporting this anti-female, anti-individual, anti-civil liberties gang.

At 21 July, 2005 15:07, Blogger timnayar said...

I just love the quote on the Idiocy poster. Made me laugh quite obnoxiously during work. Try explaining to your boss how you are laughing at musculo-skelatal models and not websites.

The one observation I would like to make though: You could replace those Bush/Cheney posters with any football team and the picture would make just as much sense. Does anyone else think that a lot of political support is highly analagous to that people would exhibit for their particular sports team? I mean, we all know people who support Team X no matter how badly they suck, or how awful their management is, but still they buttress the team in any way that is convenient to them. You will see people paint themselves, buy tickets to the games, wear all the memorabilia, and just about anything else to "prove" that they are the "real" fans and not just part of the crowd.

I am sure there is an extension of this analogy that could explain the Yellow Elephants, but my brain is kind of fried right now.

At 21 July, 2005 15:40, Anonymous agitprop said...


What's even worse is that those young ladies are from The Wellesley College chapter of the College Republicans! I took it off their site...a bunch of good ol' Northeastern librul gals!

At 21 July, 2005 15:51, Anonymous Bartholemew Throckmorton IV said...

Crossposted from Jesus General. My nomination for Young Republicans of the Year and Chickenhawks of the Year:


At 21 July, 2005 17:07, Blogger VizierVic said...

I was recently called by a young Yellow Elephant, who inquired about my supporting the Republican Party. Somehow my name had gotten on the RNC's list. He persisted in asking me if I were a Republican, to which I continued to tell him "No" but then thought I should ask him why he wasn't in the Army in Iraq? He wouldn't answer the question. I asked him if he supported Dubya and the war, to which he responded affirmatively. I asked him again why he wasn't in the Army. Still no answer. I then asked him if he was a coward, since he should have been in the Army if he weren't. He replied "I'd rather not answer that question." Not "Yes" or "No", just some weasel words. He finally hung up. That's the modern Republican Party membership for you. Let somebody else fight and die for them while they make money. It's only the money and to hell with everybody and everything else. Money over country. They're terrorists and they should be treated like terrorists.

At 21 July, 2005 19:06, Anonymous Anonymous said...


At 22 July, 2005 04:12, Blogger Turkeyhead said...

Well, I'm a College Republican and I joined. I'm a Private First Class in the U.S. Army Reserve.

What, you're scoffing at the 'Reserve' part? We all train in the same places with the same people and fight in the same areas. I just get to spend the rest of my time with a big smile and healthy laugh thanks to people like you all, who provide non-stop entertainment for us Conservatives.

Please don't let the fact that military retention rates are at an all-time high in our all-volunteer force be lost on you.

Please take care and try to live healthy, productive lives. I hope you all can someday find it in your hearts to let the resentment and bitterness towards Conservatives and Republicans go.

At 22 July, 2005 08:06, Anonymous Comrade in Arms said...

Hey Turkeyhead,

We of the leftish persuasion would not scoff at your choice to sign up to fight for a cause you believe in. On the contrary, talk to almost any lefty, and we have the highest respect for those who put their money (and potentially their lives) where their mouths are. Best of wishes to you, and our thoughts and prayers if you are deployed somewhere with active fighting in progress. No, we take issue with those who put you all in danger for what we see as selfish or foolish reasons. Those of us who are/were willing to serve their country (I'm a veteran) are too valuable to waste just for corporate profits or some neo-con wet dream of world hegemony. Especially, we take issue with those who would happily send others to fight when they are too cowardly to do so themselves; the names Cheney, George W. Bush, Rush Limbaugh ring a bell? Similarly, if you are a College Republican, surely you are smart enough to recognize that very few of your fellow students have joined you in active service.

At 22 July, 2005 10:08, Anonymous Pug said...


Congratulations on having the courage of your convictions. You are a rare Young Republican, indeed.

You seem to miss the entire point. We admire you and feel no resentment toward you at all.

In the old days honor meant the one who ordered the charge led the way. You are living up to that and are to be commended. Too bad there aren't many more like you.

At 22 July, 2005 12:15, Blogger Terrible said...

turkyhead, You are indeed a rarity, I know back in the early '80s when I did my military service there wasn't a College Republican or Young Republican to be found anywhere in the military.

PS: Stop-Loss is not REAL retention in the normal sense of things, only in Bizzarro Land.

At 22 July, 2005 13:50, Blogger Ron said...

Turkeyhead, I think you're a liar. The idea that retention rates are at an all-time high is a lie, so the rest of your crap is all lies. Young Republicans are cowards and liars, that's the real truth.

At 22 July, 2005 18:22, Anonymous Patriot said...

Turkeyhead IS a liar - so far anyone representing and supporting the President, the president himself, Cheney, Rove, etc., have proven themselves completely unreliable for truth.

We're been lied to hundreds of times, why would anyone believe this dickhead that claims he's enlisted in the Reserves.

Cowards and liars and treasonous bastards. A firing squad should be their sentence, no debate.

Arrest and convict and send Bush to Guantanamo...if we so decide he should live.

At 22 July, 2005 19:40, Anonymous Dan said...

Turkeyhead said...

"I hope you all can someday find it in your hearts to let the resentment and bitterness towards Conservatives and Republicans go."

What he fails to recognize is that we liberals understand that Bush and company are conservative Republicans in the same way the Klu Klux Klan were Christians.

If you signed up to serve Turkeyhead, you're not the one we're refering to.

At 22 July, 2005 22:18, Anonymous Sue said...

turkeyhead is a PUSSYhead because even if he is in the PUSSYreserves his buddies are in the PUSSYkeyboarders and not doing shit for the empire and it will all come down on us in the end when their EMPIRE fails

At 22 July, 2005 23:15, Anonymous Dave in Berkeley said...

Two points:

1) Since the Army Times is reporting that the ceiling will be raised to 42, there are even more people at Fox, at the Weekly Standard, and in the right-wing blogosphere who can go to Iraq and follow their consciences. I'd say most of the readers of and might want to think about putting their bodies where their mouths are, too.

2) Turkeyhead, we'll let whatever animus you imagine we have go as soon as you people let your REAL hatred for Bill and Hillary Clinton go, and not a moment sooner. Do you really think the 90s taught us nothing?

At 23 July, 2005 00:56, Anonymous Philly Chick said...

Off Topic, but...

Does anybody know where I could find that great picture with the college students each holding a letter and somehow managing to misspell Bush? That would go great in the idiocy poster.

At 23 July, 2005 08:13, Anonymous Alan Charles said...

What turkeyhead is overlooking is that he is just one person of the Republican persuasion signing up, which hardly lets the rest of the Young Republicans off the hook.

As a Vietnam veteran, I am thrilled to see him sign up to serve his country, no matter whether it be the Reserves, Guard or active-duty military. They're all winding up in the same place, anyway.

For all our keyboarding efforts trying to denigrate each other, I will remind us that it will all have been for naught if we don't begin right now to write our representatives in Washington and urge them to ensure action to get rid of those evoting machines that leave no paper trail before the 2008 election. Remember, it's who counts the votes that count. The last two elections should have made that crystal-clear. Now take a moment right now while it's on your mind and write your representative. Complaining accomplishes nothing; action accomplishes much. Act now!

At 23 July, 2005 08:20, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To VizierVic and all the rest:
FIRST: I'm a 30 year (day-for-day) military veteran (including Vietnam).
SECOND: I'm neither Republican or Democrat.
THIRD: My oldest son is a stanch Republican and is a 14 year Army Special Forces veteran (started out as an enlisted man, advanced to Sargent and then to 1st Lt and is currently a 2nd Lt.
My middle son (also a Republican)is a 6 year Army veteran with the 82nd Airborne.
My youngest son is in his second year as a member of the Air Force Special Forces Branch.



You all make me sick to my stomach.
Have a nice day!

Proud Vietnam Veteran

At 23 July, 2005 08:31, Anonymous Alan Charles said...

To Proud Vietnam Veteran:
From: Another Proud Vietnam Veteran

You do not write as neither Democrat or Republican.

You surely must realize that one becomes a 2nd Lt first, then a 1st Lt, not the other way around.

You surely must realize that it has been the Democrats that have carried the bigger part of the load when it comes to enlistments throughout history. If you'd like to check out how Republicans measure up to Democrats in Washington, click on then click on "who served" and compare.

As a former Green Beret who served in Vietnam in 1968, I am not familiar with a "Special Forces Branch" in the Air Force. It was always my belief that "Special Forces" referred to those of us who earned the Green Beret.

At 23 July, 2005 08:39, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry. I got carried away with my typing and got the grades backward.

The Air Force has a Special "Operations" Unit, not Forces.

I'm sorry, I didn't intend to demean your military service in any way.

Simper Fi, Brother-in-Arms
Take care.

V. Vet.

At 23 July, 2005 08:52, Anonymous Alan Charles said...

No sweat, brother!
Just wanted to make sure you were for real.

At 23 July, 2005 08:57, Blogger sshan25 said...

No. I will not enlist in the service to take part in an illegal and imoral occupation of a sovereign nation that was no threat to the US. If a situation comes along where the we are attacked and we actually focus out attention on the attackers, that is a different story.

At 23 July, 2005 09:46, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the libs,

I joined the Army right after college in 1995. Indeed, we were at peace then.

I up'ed my commitement by enlisting in the reserves immediately after 9/11. I have since served in Hati, Afgan and of course Iraq.

One thing most of you leave out is the fact when we were at peace we had lower recruitment goals and lower enlistment then we do today. Today we have higher goals and when you say "enlistment is off, missed goal for x time, etc., etc. It's actually a much higher goal then in the 1990's - when Clinton was President.

You also fail to mention that the Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps are at all time highs for enlistment (both re and new).

We actually had less enlistment while at Peace under Clinton then we have had under Bush during war. Think about that. Do some simple google searches and look at the numbers. I'm not referring to numbers on your loony web sites.

Many people i served with have very nice jobs in the States. Many were college educated. All of us joined. Why you ask to the College Rep's not join? The answer is simple - the military is not for everyone. Lucky for us we live in a large enough country that allows freedom of choice on how someone would like to serve and if.

We do not look down on anyone that
doesn't enlist. And if we don't - you shouldn't.

I will say that as the anti-war folks you are, we like you. Many military folks believe in checks and balances - Ying & Yang - you balance the hawks - the hawks balance the doves. Keep up the debate, we need more discussions, but use your efforts on more important subjects instead of picking on a bunch of college kids.

Staff Sergeant S. Michael
Delta Company
1st Scout Platoon
155th Brigade Combat Team
Al Iskandariyah,Iraq

At 23 July, 2005 09:53, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Americans, please watch this 1947 War Department propaganda flick, then pass it on.

- Frank in South Carolina

At 23 July, 2005 11:26, Anonymous Will said...

Excuse me, Sarg. S. Michael, but as a Viet Vet Demo, I really feel sorry for you. Why? Because of your failure to disclose shows ignorance of history and amounts to misrepresentation.

First, the reason for increased recruitment during the Bush administration is directly related to marketing: at the time of 9/11, everyone was outraged, but there was no hint that we were going to be diverted to Iraq through lies and deceit! Second, the economy has been in the pits ever since the downturn at the end of the Clinton Administration and deficit spending, outsourcing, currency depreciation and trade imbalances have been the rule.

But your excuse that the army isn't for everyone is outrageous. The point is that, in the 60s and early 70s, many Congressmen could not give just lip service to supporting the military. Why? Because, THIRD, there was a DRAFT (of sorts) during Nam that created some class equalization in recruitment and many congressmen had relatives in the military. There isn't one now! (and, no, son, it wasn't for me either, but I was drafted and guess what?) But some, like the pResident, Rove, Cheney and the rest, were rich and deceitful enough to avoid (and continue to avoid) their duty. How many less fortunate Americans died in their place? Like all rich Rethugs, they're a Patriot Act!

Anyway, the draft also helped end that hopeless, gawd-awful conflict! With so many relatives in harm's way, Congress in the 60s and 70s wasn't nearly as thoughtlessly militant and far more concerned about military welfare than today's neocon chickenhawks. And most veterans in Congress were DEMOCRATS! How many Rethug Congressional neocon have any relative--let alone served--in any branch of the military? Although it's been a while, the last time I counted, it was ONE with a relation in the military! BTW, seen corporate media pictures of murde--err, dead American casualties from Iraq? Any mention of the bodybags at Dover AFB? Any overt tribute by the pResident select or his staff to the two thousand dead that he and his corporate media whores are responsible for at this point?

No wonder that, with no draft, Cheney--that moral values expert during the 2000 campaign under whose aegis thousands of Iraqi soldiers were buried alive in the First Gulf War--can state that the War on Freedo--err, Terrorism will be a war without end!

Unless they've contributed to the USO, any civilian Rethug who sports one of those two-trunk yellow elephant bumperstickers ensconcing "a support the troops" line is just HUMAN VERMIN! Regardless of age or sex they should be forthwith hauled down to their local recruiting office for immediate induction and assignment to Iraq!

Nothwithstanding my criticism, you're not a gay male prostitute posing as a Rethug Talon Press correspondent throwing "soft ball" questions at the Moron in Thief and wearing White House Pressroom least, I hope you're not.

At 23 July, 2005 13:16, Anonymous Anonymous said...


Wasn't the Vietnam War started by a Democrat?

At 23 July, 2005 14:47, Anonymous Alan Charles said...

I just came across a great group of Republican comments made during Bill Clinton's Kosovo adventure you may want to pull out the next time one of your Republican friends - if you have any - start saying you shouldn't be bashing our president like you are.

I found these on dailykos, credited to

Some examples:

"You can support the troops, but not the president." Tom DeLay (R-TX)

I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning. I didn't think we had done enough in the diplomatic area." Trent Lott (R-MS)

"Well, I just think it's a bad idea. What's going to happen is they're going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years." Joe Scarborough (R-FL)

""Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter had to give up their life." Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99

And last, but certainly not least:

"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is." Governor George Bush (R-TX)

At 23 July, 2005 14:54, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The first Americans were sent to Vietnam during Eisenhower's administration.

We never did declare war on North Vietnam.

That entire debacle can be blamed on four administrations, from Ike to Nixon.

That's two per party.

Just my .02

At 24 July, 2005 00:24, Anonymous Will said...

Anonymous, at 10:16am ,

Guilt by party association really shows your limits. At least, whoever started Nam was somewhat identifiable and certainly wasn't the obvious chickenhawk hypocrit cowering behind "anonymous" like you are.

At 24 July, 2005 01:35, Anonymous R said...

"Turkeyhead" IS a liar. First, it links to a website with 4 turkeys, so which of them is enlisted? NONE, because they are not only Yellow Elephants but LIARS.

Second, they are IDIOTS. Notice they can't say enlistment is up because the recruiters can't keep up with quotas even by helping the dregs of society cover up all the reasons that used to get people rejected for enlistment.

THAT is why "retention" is so "high." It HAS to be, therefore the military is FORCING people to stay even after their commitment has been met.

It's called A BACKDOOR DRAFT, you slacker cowards.

At 24 July, 2005 04:31, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Turkeyhead, I hope you get your's blown off while you are there. Anyone stupid enough to go fight Bush's war deserves no better.

At 24 July, 2005 04:32, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Vietnam war was started by Eisenhower a republipuke.

At 24 July, 2005 04:35, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Proud Vietnam Vet: You are one sick fuck to be proud of that immoral war fought for nothing. The rest of the world knows the truth about that attrocity and those of us old enough to remember what took place will never forget it was sick fucks like you that allowed it to go on for 10 years and murder more than 3 million vietnamese innocents. You are a murdering bastard and so are your sick fuck bastards I hope they get murdered over there they deserve no less.

At 24 July, 2005 22:19, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Viet vet who is so proud of his service and his family that he won't even come up with a fake name. Yup, that's convincing.
A young republican in the reserves, like the unit Bush II was in, where you don't even have to show up, let alone show up sober? I'll buy that for a dollar.
I bet you warhawks beat off to Soldier of Fortune magazine and Tom Clancy novels. At least Jack Ryan didn't burn his CIA people for political points.

At 25 July, 2005 14:23, Anonymous Alan said...

Anonymous, it's a shame you didn't take the time to read my comments before your post. If you had, you'd have noticed I am AGAINST Mr. Bush's war in Iraq. Neither I nor any other Vietnam vet had any more say in what our government was doing over there than any of the current military folks have any say about what's going on in Iraq today. A soldier does what he is told to do, nothing more; and hopefully nothing less.

For the record, I grew up in a Republican household and was a Republican when I volunteered for the Army in 1966. I have voted for both Republicans AND Democrats through the years -and I supported a George Bush candidacy in 2000 because he ran as a compassionate conservative who was going to unite us and bring honor and dignity back to the White House. I do not believe he has proven to be very compassionate OR conservative; he has done everything BUT unite us; and he has certainly not brought honor and dignity back to the White House.

When he began his runup to war in Iraq, I began writing him almost every day asking him to seek counsel from calmer people than the war hawks in his administration.

I changed parties 08/15/03 and wrote him and told him he was the reason I did so.

I would personally appreciate it if you backed off your profanity a bit and started paying more attention to what people are saying before jumping in with your comments. Otherwise, you come off sounding like a Faux News "commentator," talk radio host, or one of "them."

At 25 July, 2005 15:01, Anonymous Anonymous said...


At 27 July, 2005 19:38, Anonymous goldem said...

just because conservatives have a supporting opinion of the war doesnt mean they all have to sign up. Its an opinion. Us dems have one too!

At 27 July, 2005 20:20, Anonymous Adio10 said...

Sue said...
"turkeyhead is a PUSSYhead because even if he is in the PUSSYreserves his buddies are in the PUSSYkeyboarders and not doing shit for the empire and it will all come down on us in the end when their EMPIRE fails."

When "their EMPIRE fails",if you live here in the U.S.A its your empire too. It will effect everyone so why dont YOU stop being a pussy and sign up.

At 27 July, 2005 20:25, Anonymous theIndependent said...

Anonymous said...
"Turkeyhead, I hope you get your's blown off while you are there. Anyone stupid enough to go fight Bush's war deserves no better."

Looks like some of you dont really give a shit about life as you claim. Why do you say shit like that anonymous when your whole thing is for college republicans to join. Thats probably the idea so they can eliminate them hoping they die in Iraq.
Your pretty damn screwed up.

At 28 July, 2005 11:02, Anonymous DAVE said...



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